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Hard to snub Raines for Morris.
Again, I think Morris is a piss poor choice, but there were 67% of the writers last year who thought he was good enough, can't really fault a guy for picking him.
Second-year candidates Mike Piazza, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens appear on my ballot for the first time
I don't think this is going to be common, but it's interesting to see.
I don't really get the "Tim Raines is a HOF'er Thing". I willing to be convinced I guess.
Do you feel the same about Tony Gwynn?
Gywnn won about 8 Batting Titles.
Its the HOF, not the HOW.
Raines tallies poorly on the HOF monitor/standards, IIRC.
Raines is best presented as a peak candidate, maybe the only guy on earth who has been eligible for the ballot more than 10 years who has an argument about whether he was the best player in baseball over a 4-6 year stretch.
I, too, don't get the lovefest some have with Raines.
I personally would have liked to see his last slot go to Mussina over Morris, although #30 is right in that most people would vote Morris over Mussina even if they think Mussina was better just because this would be Morris's last year on the ballot while it's Mussina's first year. I don't necessarily agree with this voting pattern, but what can you do? I sure hope Mussina gets to 5% this year and next year (with Randy and Pedro) so we can have a proper discussion of his candidacy.
So, if WAR is out, HOF stats are out, comparisons are out, OPS+ is out (?), what are you left with--the feeling in your scrotum?
what are you left with--the feeling in your scrotum?
So, what sorts Raines out from the herd?
comparisons are out
So, what are your comparisons, and how do you formulate and structure them?
So, what sorts Raines out from the herd? (And please notice that a lot of people comment on these things. Everything stated is not about you personally.)
On the Gwynn vs. Raines front.....while I agree with the basics of the argument, Tony Gwynn is one guy that is really very easy to identify as "clutch". Pretty much every single measure, RISP, 2 out RISP, Close and Late, High Leverage, etc etc, he is better than overall and better than league averages by a large margin. All the Win Probability metrics at FG, (braces for CFB's wrath) show the same thing too. Rock was excellent in those situations too....just not as good as Gwynn.
And don't forget the 1981 strike -- imagine what Raines could have done in a full season. He stole 71 bases (vs. 11 CS) and scored 61 runs in just 88 games (108 team games).
I, too, don't get the lovefest some have with Raines. For a peak candidate he sure didn't lead the league in anything very often.
Either you feel they cheated or they didn't. Vote accordingly.
The stat crowd for years have bad mouthed stolen bases(when they were really just bad mouthing the caught stealing) while the non-stats crowd would defend it with vigor
Still, late in the game, one run game, RISP, who do you want at the plate ? Gwynn or Raines ?
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