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Read More...The average 20th century Hall of Fame starting pitcher has 258.3 career wins. That number is dragged down by Sandy Koufax’ 165 victories, but he can’t be omitted from this exercise as I consider him the best starting pitcher to ever throw a baseball.
Former Boston Red Sox ace Pedro Martinez retired following the 2009 season with just 219 wins and only two 20-win seasons. Is it possible that he’s a first ballot Hall of ...
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1. John Northey posted on January 29, 2013 at 07:20 AM # hit 0 | hit 0Understandable why he is confused by the voting - it would be frustrating to think you are a lock due to setting a record in a popular stat (saves) then seeing other relievers get in who didn't get anywhere near as many saves (Sutter, Gossage) Wonder if he got that Cy Young 1991 (forgot he came in 2nd to Tom Glavine that year) or 1992 (4th place) if he'd have made it since that seems to help a bit (4 of the 5 relievers in won it). Not that he should've won the Cy or should be in the HOF, just an interesting question. 4 times getting Cy Young votes, 4 times MVP votes (the 8 times getting votes were over 5 different seasons stretched from 1983 to 1994) yet few think of him as dominate like Gossage, Sutter, Fingers, Eckersley were...of course, he really wasn't that dominate just interesting to see how voters viewed him over the years.
I'm confused. He is supposed to be attacking the steroids guys as worse-than-baby-killer cheaters. Did he not get the memo?
Will this testimony by a major league player count for anything? Or should we instead defer to Mike Lupica who, armed with his little league playing experience, disagrees?
Now, it turns out I do have to find room for Smith on my ballot.
Not quite sure what he's saying here, but he never had more votes than Dawson or Sutter on the same ballot. he did have more than Blyleven his first 2 years.
Smith is odd in that he debuted at a very solid 42% and has made basically no progress in 10 votes. Dawson actually debuted at 45 but he might be thinking of Rice (debuted at 30). Gossage debuted at 33 and Sutter at 24 and of course Blyleven and Morris at low numbers too.
Nearly half the voters thought he was an HoFer the first time on the ballot ... and it's still about half. In contrast Rice, Blyleven and maybe Morris went from 2/3 or more not considering them an HoFer to 3/4 voting for them. That's gotta be kinda tough to watch.
* This is farther than I went at the time. According to WAR, Eck the starter compiled 43 WAR which is a lot more than I'd have thought. It puts him at 59 for his career. I'm not a big fan of WAR for pitchers but that's enough to make me take a second look. Or it would be if he hadn't sailed into the HoF long ago.
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