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Sean...I'm treating this as a Partial Ballot for now. He's really not clear.
several of the names on it required some thought—Mike Piazza (yes)
I had no idea there would be people who make a point of voting for ONLY the Steroid Kings (my favorite gang in The Warriors by the way). No Biggio on this one is bizarre.
As mentioned this is probably a partial ballot, but I wouldn't be shocked if after this election that some pompous stat nerd writer, refuses to vote for Maddux or Griffey on the next ballot, because Bonds and Clemens didn't get in.
Are there any stats guys with ballots?
I wouldn't be shocked if after this election that some pompous stat nerd writer, refuses to vote for Maddux or Griffey on the next ballot, because Bonds and Clemens didn't get in.
11. cardsfanboy Posted: December 10, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4320854)
I also will not be surprised if the hof rescinds the 5% rule over the next couple of years.
If he thinks there is any "thought required" for Piazza, then I'm not so sure he has Biggio or Bagwell.
I think you'd have to combine it with getting rid of the 10-vote limit to do any good. Of course, given the fact that I would have voted for 11 on last year's ballot given the chance, I'd be in favor of that anyway.
Good call. Yeah, the 10-vote limit should be scrapped. Though its not likely to directly result in any elections, it could help things a little.
Carlton Fisk took two ballots--Biggio is like Fisk.
I was thinking that voters would look at the ballot, and saw Biggio as the best of the bunch without controversy
It might happen, but it is hard to think of much that could be more self defeating.
He still might make it. But I thought he might be the first modern 3,000-hit guy who failed to get first-ballot election, so I don't consider this terribly surprising.
Not counting Palmeiro of course.
Other than lowering the 75 percent for induction (highly unlikely) or a complete overhaul in the election process (such as going to one used by the NFL, which ensures X number of players annually),
2013: Morris or Biggio
2014: Maddux and Biggio/Thomas
2015: Pedro, Johnson
2016: Griffey, Glavine, Smoltz
2017: Biggio/Thomas and Bagwell
2017: Thomas, Bagwell,
Will Carroll and Keith Law have a while before they get a vote, so we don't have to worry about them eventually anti-moralizing.
In what universe is Will Carroll a statnerd? Remember this?
A 75% cutoff and 10 vote max (and six vote typical) excludes basically everybody when there's 15-20 good candidates on the ballot. Look at this ballot 2015, imagine Maddux ain't on it, and try to get anyone in. It ain't happening.
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