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I've long thought that it's a long shot but it's conceivable a woman could play baseball at a major league level, if she started right out from Little League and refused to switch to softball through her schooling, most likely a blazing fast woman with a Juan Pierre/Willie Wilson kind of skill set. So many challenges to overcome, though. I view baseball and hockey (goaltender) as maaaaybes and football and basketball as never gonna happen.
I'd think that most likely would be a pitcher, since the main advantage that men have is strength, and extra strength doesn't give you any advantage in putting spin on the ball. Baseball is more a game of skill (vs. strength) than most other professional sports, and some of the skills (like throwing a curve ball) don't require the kind of strength only available (or perhaps, only available with rare exceptions) to male professional athletes.
But that's not what it looks like at the top level, Riggs v King notwithstanding. At the top level, most of the differences are small, and that makes the native difference in strength and speed a big deal. One might reasonably expect the best woman in the world to lose to the #200 man in the world, and quite likely to men ranked lower
The famous womans soccer team from the US that won the World Cup
would practice against a run-of-the-mill Texas boys high school team.
They were routinely trounced...IIRC.
I haven't looked, but NSFW?
Eri Yoshida - 5-10 in 21 games (20 starts) with a 7.62 ERA from 2010-2012.
There is no scientific evidence that the gap between men and women in sports has narrowed.
Actually if I remember correctly it was the high school teams where the US Women's Team would get even matches, sometimes winning, sometimes losing, often drawing.
There must be a woman in MLB some day. I'd think that most likely would be a pitcher, since the main advantage that men have is strength, and extra strength doesn't give you any advantage in putting spin on the ball.
I have no idea why swim times keep getting faster. It's got to stop somewhere, doesn't it?
I view baseball and hockey (goaltender) as maaaaybes and football and basketball as never gonna happen.
Eri Yoshida - 5-10 in 21 games (20 starts) with a 7.62 ERA from 2010-2012.
It's also stuff like pool and darts where there's no obvious reason why women wouldn't be able to hang with men, but nonetheless, it occurs.
Most people don't realize how truly "1%" male athletes are and that is especially true for major league players.
I think a huge problem is in general women tend to be less competitive than men. Don't know if that is genetics or just a cultural influence, but it's true. My hobby is to play old school games, and at the moment the most popular old school game is Donkey Kong. There is a top 100 list of scores. Since there are not a ton of people playing Donkey Kong, the ability to get into the top 100 score wise is not that difficult. A score of 400,000 would get someone into the top 100.
Every single person in the top 100 is a male. Now most in the community agree that almost any woman could do this within 6 months if she simply played for a couple of hours a day. We have had women take it semi seriously, but they seem to fizzle out at around 300,000. Yet despite this we still have all men in the top 100. Like I said though, almost all agree that it's just because a woman has never taken the game super seriously, and not because they can't do it..
My hobby is to play old school games, and at the moment the most popular old school game is Donkey Kong.
I think a huge problem is in general women tend to be less competitive than men.
Someone has never been to a bridal gown sale.
In 1928, the women running the Olympic 800 meter race could not finish because it was too far.
That appears to be a myth.
homerwannabee Posted: September 11, 2013 at 02:06 PM (#4539031)
I think a huge problem is in general women tend to be less competitive than men. Don't know if that is genetics or just a cultural influence, but it's true.
Did you ever play a game against Eddie Feigner? There are many men who can become unhittable pitchers using fast-pitch softball methods, without all of those pesky balk rules. It's what killed that game for men.
Yeah, Google News brings up several contemporary newspaper stories that give the results. The Ottawa Citizen runs the AP story under the headline "World's Record 800 Meters for Women Smashed" and talks about how fast the pace was.
anyway, i think that because males are so much larger that we are afraid and grow up afraid to beat them at any sort of "male" game, or compete with them.
At it's most basic, the whole thrust of not balking on a pitch involves 1)no deceptive movements towards anything but home plate, and 2)constant contact with the rubber from the point of coming set up until release....
Fair enough, but I'm still willing to bet the gap between men and women back then was far greater than it is now.
At it's most basic, the whole thrust of not balking on a pitch involves 1)no deceptive movements towards anything but home plate, and 2)constant contact with the rubber from the point of coming set up until release.... If that's about right - 1) seems like no big deal.... It's really 2) that would be a problem - i.e., no multi-step "running" start.
I don't think it's a simple as not balking, though. A softball-style pitcher would be completely unable to hold runners or get the ball to the catcher in time to keep my grandmother from stealing on every pitch. A softball pitcher's delivery takes what - 3 times as long as a baseball pitcher's? 4 times?
Softball pitching being a neat trick doesn't mean women could conceivably pitch at the ML level. It is a completely distinct and inapplicable action that the best women don't do as well as the best men.
I feel pretty confidant that a woman could pitch at least Casey Coleman-level successfully professionally --
That's why I was thinking reliever... in our little exhibition, the elimination of balks stymied the running game.. but in the majors? Well, there are plenty of relievers that can't hold runners for ####.
Ultimately, I guess I'm just saying that if you can consistently get hitters to swing and miss, someone will find a way to use you at the major league level.
If I was a betting man... hey, wait... I AM a betting man... I bet I will see a female pitch in the major leagues in my lifetime. Might potentially be a Veeckian stunt, but I'm betting that we see a female record an official major league out/inning/whatever in the next 20-30 years.
I'd be very happy to take your money, but logistically I don't see how I can hold you accountable thirty years down the line.
My understanding of the DH rule is that you're not allowed to move your pitcher to a defensive position without losing the DH for the rest of the game. Is that right?
- i think it is cultural, especially if you are playing against males. there is no reason, NONE, why females should not be able to compete with males at pool/darts/bridge/chess
The Williams sisters have also turned down challenges from a 50+ John McEnroe. Knowing McEnroe's ego, you've got to think he's pretty damn sure he'd win.
Anyway, I don't expect the idea of women competing in baseball to be put to the test for the simple fact that the population of women playing baseball competitively is infinitesimal compared to their male counterparts thanks to softball.
You don't get to throw underhand playing baseball, from SS or the OF or as a catcher or etc etc. Find me a woman who throws as well as even Johnny Damon and we'll talk.
I think the Olympics gives us a clearer picture of the state of marathon running on this planet.
The fastest female time was good enough to finish 64th if she was running in the Men's marathon. The top 15 women in the world had times that would have placed them between 64th and 100th in the Olympics. The NY women's marathon best times were similar to the Olympics and the best female NY marathon would have placed 64th in the Olympics as well. In the NYM women's times dropped off rapidly after the top 3 finishes.
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