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From an ERA+ standpoint, he's gotten increasingly better results every year for the past 5 seasons. If this is indeed it, I wonder if there's another guy (not leaving the game due to injury) you could say that about.
4.flournoy posted on September 30, 2012 at 07:05 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Chipper Jones' last four years (including this so-far-incomplete year) are 117-120-121-123. Granted, that's a pretty small improvement, and his earlier career dwarfs those numbers.
5.BDC posted on September 30, 2012 at 07:37 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
From an ERA+ standpoint, he's gotten increasingly better results every year for the past 5 seasons
Part of this has to do with going from a role where he often pitched more than an inning to one where he consistently pitched less. I would imagine he's had the platoon differential more in his favor over the past five years (on the whole).
A favorite of mine since he started here in Texas, but also now indelibly associated with Game Six last year. The bad with the good, I reckon, like everything else in life.
Nice, but that's not "increasingly better results every year for the past 5 seasons."
Yeah, Red's run what I was talking about.
Part of this has to do with going from a role where he often pitched more than an inning to one where he consistently pitched less. I would imagine he's had the platoon differential more in his favor over the past five years (on the whole).
Of course, the new role goes a long toward explaining why he's been better than when he was a starter. But he's been used pretty much the same way for the past five years (and at similar work levels), and has gotten more effective each season. That's what I find interesting for a guy his age.
However, for a guy who looked thoroughly washed up seven years ago, he ended up with a very nice run as a reliever.
For about the last 6 years, every time I've seen Darren Oliver my reaction was "He's STILL pitching?!", which I guess isn't fair given how well he's pitched.
11.greenback posted on October 01, 2012 at 12:42 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
A favorite of mine since he started here in Texas, but also now indelibly associated with Game Six last year.
I've imagined that one of the baseball gods decreed "Gee, you just can't have Darren Oliver as the central figure of a World Series dog pile." Another baseball god disagreed, saying Oliver's been pretty effective the last few years, making him a redemption story. As the baseball gods debated the issue, Ron Washington changed pitchers to get the platoon advantage against Ryan F. Theriot, which offended everybody's sensibilities.
Oliver was the long reliever for the 2006 Mets, the year that revitalized his career. I remember thinking during the postseason, when they didn't have any good starters, that they ought to start Oliver - except that they should only tell him 5 minutes before the game, so that they could keep his warm-up routine consistent.
13.bobm posted on October 01, 2012 at 12:55 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Any word from the Mariners' Oliver? Is he a man ready to retire?
14.booond posted on October 01, 2012 at 08:14 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
For about the last 6 years, every time I've seen Darren Oliver my reaction was "He's STILL pitching?!", which I guess isn't fair given how well he's pitched.
Yes and yes
15.booond posted on October 01, 2012 at 08:14 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
For about the last 6 years, every time I've seen Darren Oliver my reaction was "He's STILL pitching?!", which I guess isn't fair given how well he's pitched.
Yes and yes.
16.depletion posted on October 01, 2012 at 08:35 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Oliver was the long reliever for the 2006 Mets, the year that revitalized his career.
I was miffed when the Mets didn't retain him. It was a mistake that the team paid for. I'm happy for Mr. Oliver that he got to a couple WS with Texas.
17.JJ1986 posted on October 01, 2012 at 09:47 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
I was miffed when the Mets didn't retain him. It was a mistake that the team paid for.
Yep. A 2-year deal would have given the Mets playoff berths in 07 and 08 (assuming nothing else changed).
Any word from the Mariners' Oliver? Is he a man ready to retire?
Not now, he isn't. He's collected 0.5 WAR in a half-season as a Darren Oliver-style LOOGY-plus. If he wants to pitch next year in MLB, he'll have a job somewhere.
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1. SoSH U at work posted on September 30, 2012 at 06:47 PM # hit 0 | hit 0Part of this has to do with going from a role where he often pitched more than an inning to one where he consistently pitched less. I would imagine he's had the platoon differential more in his favor over the past five years (on the whole).
A favorite of mine since he started here in Texas, but also now indelibly associated with Game Six last year. The bad with the good, I reckon, like everything else in life.
This guy is a better example.
Career ERA+ of 118, last 5 years were 134, 173, 137, 111, and 171.
career ERA+ through age 36 - 112
ERA+ from 37 through 41 - 140
He then went and fought a world war, and came back at age 45 to post a 148 in 42 innings.
Yeah, Red's run what I was talking about.
Of course, the new role goes a long toward explaining why he's been better than when he was a starter. But he's been used pretty much the same way for the past five years (and at similar work levels), and has gotten more effective each season. That's what I find interesting for a guy his age.
However, for a guy who looked thoroughly washed up seven years ago, he ended up with a very nice run as a reliever.
I've imagined that one of the baseball gods decreed "Gee, you just can't have Darren Oliver as the central figure of a World Series dog pile." Another baseball god disagreed, saying Oliver's been pretty effective the last few years, making him a redemption story. As the baseball gods debated the issue, Ron Washington changed pitchers to get the platoon advantage against Ryan F. Theriot, which offended everybody's sensibilities.
Yes and yes
Yes and yes.
I was miffed when the Mets didn't retain him. It was a mistake that the team paid for. I'm happy for Mr. Oliver that he got to a couple WS with Texas.
Yep. A 2-year deal would have given the Mets playoff berths in 07 and 08 (assuming nothing else changed).
And if he was able to get Descalso and Jay out he would have won one.
Not now, he isn't. He's collected 0.5 WAR in a half-season as a Darren Oliver-style LOOGY-plus. If he wants to pitch next year in MLB, he'll have a job somewhere.
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