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1 2 >that is probably a bit more accurate. Breed shouldn't be the criteria.
I think the problem isn't that pitbulls or others of that ilk are more prone to attack. They're just better at it.
Yup. If my beagle ever attacked a stranger, they would only risk being paralyzed by cuteness.
And, on a related note, people who are interested in training their dogs to attack tend to pick it (and a few other breeds) to the exclusion of all others. While a chocolate lab (to pick common large breed without a stigma) would be nearly as effective at tearing a human apart, virtually no one trains them to be aggressive.
This is completely true. There are many small dogs that are very aggressive, in fact a lot of them are. The difference is when a 8 lb. dog bites you everyone laughs. When an 80 lb. dog bites you it's a major issue.
I just don't understand why people won't leash their dogs. And I'm not talking about rural areas where there's only grass & trees for miles- that's fine if you want your pet to run free. I walk to & from work each day in one of the busier parts of Chicago and almost every other day I'll see an unleashed dog with his owner walking 15-20 feet behind. I'm sure these dogs are well-trained, but I'm always worried that the slightest object will set the dog running into the street or something like that.
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You know your dogs love people when they let you take this picture without killing you and the four or five people closest to you. Although they seem to be considering it.
I wonder what Ray DiPerna thinks.
Exactly what I was thinking.
This seeming dichotomy is for at least two reasons: First, many or even most pit bulls won't attack (although note that this does not imply that they attack at the same rate as other dogs, nor that the results of an attack tend to be similar to those by other dogs).
Second, get this: Pit bulls weren't just bred to be killing machines who would be totally willing and able to plunge themselves into a no-hold-barred fight with no reservations concerning their own well-being; they were also bred to be lovely, friendly dogs to their masters and families. Of course they were; virtually no breeder is going to tolerate a breed that will be an extreme danger to his or her child.
The "It's the trainer, not the breed" people are deluding themselves, and unfortunately some significant percentage of them will one day find reality producing an extreme refutation for their delusion.
Here is a good article by a man who actually has trained thousands of dogs, including many pit bulls. Small excerpt:Another:
It's more than that. They're incredibly powerful dogs.
I don't think this is true. Some breeds have been bred for their aggressiveness and, unforutnately, pit bulls fall into that category.
Having said that, a pit bull can make a perfectly acceptable family dog, if the aggressive behavior is not encouraged.
Great danes are a good example of responsible breeding. They used to be holy terrors but the attack instinct has been bred out of them and they are now good family dogs, if you can afford the food bills and don't mind cleaning up droppings the size of a Buick.
I'm not a dog owner, but it seems like German Shepherds are the fricking perfect dog. Smart and trainable, but will go apeshit on anyone who threatens their family.
I wasn't old enough to remember but we had to get rid of him when he attacked the mailman.
Another good idea by the Nazis that never grew legs. :)
That's the truth. I was visiting friends once and their son brought his pit bull over. I was rolling around on the floor with the dog licking my face, and the guy casually says to his mom in the other room: "Can't leave Sparky with another dog. He goes into total kill mode. Blood all over the place." I look up into Sparky's cute little eyes. Jeebus.
The only dogs I've ever owned were basset hounds. The breed standard is "mild and devoted," and like all hunting dogs they have very soft mouths. But they are heavyset, powerful, and hard to control, and their mouths are huge. We never let them just play uncontrolled around small children.
On the other hand, I have a relative that's always had huge dogs: malamutes, lots of Tibetan mastiffs, a couple bouviers. If you're comfortable working with them and you're good about training every day (and you're good about controlling their interactions with kids to make those around you comfortable) then it's possible this can work. But even he knows the truth. After they suffered a particularly nasty home invasion a few years ago he got a very large and bad tempered rottweiler. His remark was "I had a choice between a handgun and this dog, and I'm pretty sure this dog is more dangerous."
they are the smallest and most voluntary form of government, so you might be right.
And all you delusional pit bull defenders are iFOS because you ignore bite strength.
A very strong dog, but I'd rather run across one of them than a Shepherd or a Rott. They're sweethearts and their aggressiveness is mainly towards other dogs, not people. My little 16-pounder dominates him and is the more aggressive dog.
That said, many municipalities that prohibit pits also prohibit AmStaffs, probably based largely on their similar appearance. They can be easily confused.
relatively short lifespan and major hip problems is the hindrance to the Sheppard. There is a reason that many military services and police forces are supplementing their Sheppards with Malinois, even though Malinois are smaller dogs.
The name is very very bourgeois and annoying, but as far as big dogs go, I've had my eye on the Bouvier de Flandres. I very much like the cut of its jib, and when there's a big yard to be had, and it isn't too stupid expensive (I'm generally a shelter/pound guy) I believe I will pick one up.
agree about the hip problems, it's sad to watch a great young dog get old and hobbled.
Stupid Flandres.
Just subjectively, I really prefer rescue pits. Greyhounds are so, so thin, it unsettles me.
At their racing weight, yes. But after adoption they usually put on 10-15 pounds and look just fine. Still thin by dog standards, but just fine. My last male weighed ~90 pounds at his peak.
Actually, you sound way more annoying than a barking dog.
Look, a lot of people own pit mixes who have no business owning them: they want a dog that looks badass or who can defend the house, and wind up turning a good dog into a nuisance or worse. But, properly raised and trained, they are good dogs; no more aggressive or harmful than any other large breed.
second of all, as someone who had them and bred them (NOT as killah dogz neither), pit bulls are wonderful family Dogs, incredibly tolerant of babies and small children and protective of them too. they have to be trained to attack. all that stuff about comparing them to pointers is the biggest pile of crap like evah. they are not natural born killaz, like a ticking time bomb.
pit bulls who are raised to be family Dogs do NOT just go attack every person or other animal they happen to spot.
black labs are a lot more likely to bite - and so are those little snappy Dogs.
a lot of people have no business owning Dogs. PERIOD. tying up your Dog in the back yard is despicable. especially here in tejas.
Other dogs may be more likely to bite than pitbulls, but no other breed is as likely to kill.
I used to work where employees were allowed to bring dogs to work. We had a nice campus adjoining a nature reserve and many would let their dogs roam. One colleague had a pit bull. Like everyone notes, it was sweet, gentle, loving. It had cancer, and recovered. We were all fond of the dog. One day, it went berserk on some wild animal. I've never heard a sound like that. I wouldn't let anything that could do that near my kids.
Like 'zop, I did once see her take off after some wild animal. She destroyed it in short order. My son loves that dog, but if he and his fiancee ever decide to have kids, he's aware that he'll need to find her a new home first. It only takes once. It's not a risk worth taking.
Enjoy prison and/or that crippling lawsuit!
Man, I've seen my cat -- my ten pound, domestic shorthair, lovemuffin kitty cat -- go the #### to town on a mouse. It wasn't much fun to witness. But here's the thing: animals are ANIMALS. All animals can attack, given the proper stimulus. And, most likely, all but the smallest of animals could probably wreck you in a one on one fight, given the proper stimulus.
Pitties are sweet dogs. They get a lot of attention because they're often trained poorly, and because they look like Cujo. That's not their fault. If you've had a bad experience with one of the bully breeds, don't get one, but that doesn't make them bad or dangerous dogs.
And, lets not forget, kill more people in this country than all other breeds combined, I believe.
Please tell me you're not suggesting that a 10-pound cat presents the same risks as a 90-pound pit bull.
I own four cats, and I have to tell you, I can't see it. Yes, if one of my cats attacked, it could cause pain, draw blood...but it's still a ten-pound cat. I'm pretty sure I could fight it off. I'd be bleeding, but other than that, OK.
If my son's pit bull attacked me, I'd be in a lot of trouble. I can pry a cat's jaws apart, but my son's pit has the strongest jaw I've ever seen on an animal (excepting the Cockatoo we owned years ago). Add the size and weight in, and I'm pretty sure a pit bull could kill me, were it so inclined.
Pit Bulls are bred to be intolerant of other animals. They don't have bred instincts to attack humans. Contrary to popular perception, a pit bull will be just fine with humans if raised properly, but it's very likely, regardless of rearing, that at some point in time a pit bull will get aggressive on another animal, it's in their nature.
#46: I reckon that driving is considerably deadlier than bully breeds are, but we don't consider banning driving. Rather, we punish dangerous drivers.
#47: Nope, not suggesting that my cat is as dangerous as a pitty. But she's as likely to attack you. That is, not very, but there's a chance. And if the criterion for pet ownership is, as number #42 suggested, that our pets never do anything to another animal that makes us feel uncomfortable, then we'd better stick with obligate herbivores.
Fair enough, but I don't think this is about comfort level. We didn't have any small pets when my kids were small as it wasn't a risk we wanted to take. When they got bigger, we added a cat or two and a Pomeranian (which couldn't even threaten the cats, let alone a human).
I'm not saying this is what everyone should do; perhaps if I was more knowledgeable about dogs and canine behavior/training I would take a different stance. I dunno.
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