Sunday, May 19, 2013
Hochman: Dallas Green still tells it like it is
(www.philly.com)
New Green book looks to be a diamond Dallas page turner.
Read More...It is a good, lively book and it mirrors Green’s good, lively 6 decades in the game. He rips only three people, Bobby Valentine, Art Mahaffey and Gene Mauch.
“Valentine is a phony and that’s what I call him in the book,” Green grumbles, choosing to skip details of the possible backstabbing while Dallas managed the Mets.
He reveals that in the minors Mahaffey cared only about his numbers. “He didn’t root for other guys to win, because ...
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1 2 3 4 5 6 >Whole bunch of men who thought they got away with it... they didn't. I wonder how many victims have decided to track down their abusers.
See posts 5 and 7
Are we now presuming that every guy who gets accused of molestation is guilty, even if he never gets charged with anything?
I think I'll wait for much more information to come out on this before I go ahead and jump to a conclusion.
I agree with Joey B.
Isn't Ringolsby ballfan?
Yes.
For those that don't RTFA, there's no more detail than what is in the quoted excerpt. I don't know how one could reach any conclusion about the merits of the accusation based on the information available.
This explains why Conlin always had nice things to say about David Samson and the Marlins.
Best Regards
That's cruel and unusual.
Nobody from the Daily News is denying it. At least, none that I have seen.
It's not like they have a reputation to protect.
This sounds suspiciously like the sort of thing an accused child molester would say. BURN HIM! BURN THE WITCH!
OK, link fail. Here's the Daily News confirming Conlin's retirement:
http://the20.nbcphiladelphia.com/post/14518956879/bill-conlin-retires-doesnt-resign-according-to?extpar=the20
are the sportswriters who are so quick to jump to judgment against athletes willing to say conlin should be kicked out of the hall / have his awards taken away?
Well, of course he's a
roiderchild molester...just look at him!Oh, they will. Sportswriters know which way the wind is blowing and won't hesitate to turn against one of their own for this most heinous of crimes. Look at how Posnanski -- one of ours! -- got excoriated here for even suggesting that Paterno's life should not be reduced to a child molestation scandal he was 3 steps removed from (Sandusky diddled the kid, McQueary saw it, Paterno was told). Conlin's toast, member of the fraternity of sportswriters or not.
But, geez louise, it might be faster if we simply "outed" every public figure who wasn't a sexual deviant.
The PED analogies are just writing themselves these days.
A big part of the scandal was the coverup - Paterno was not 3 steps removed from that.
And that Paterno did little at best to prevent Sandusky from continuing his association with the University and young male children for years afterward.
Then they get the panicked call
This intrigued me, so...
Wha... but.. huh?
I went to Fordham Prep from 1979 to 1983, and I'm just now hearing about allegations of sexual abuse by some of the teachers and the former principal at the school. I didn't see any evidence of that firsthand while I was there, but I do remember hearing about a teacher who was supposedly gay (it was an all boys school). Now I'm hearing that this teacher would rub the shoulders of some of the students. I'm not sure why this wasn't questioned at the time.
Isn't that 2 steps removed?
Because of Sandusky?
I'd have to check the internet, but I have a vague recollection that a fairly large religious organization has been going through -- and still continues to find ways to continue to not come clean -- similar allegations.
WTF is wrong with society?
This is true under certain circumstances. There are certain crimes that, by the nature of the crime itself, if you even attempt them, you have actually fulfilled all the elements of the completed offense as well. In certain jurisdictions, all that is necessary for the offense of prostitution is to offer to engage in sexual acts for compensation -- so the offer is, in effect, the attempt to engage in the crime as well. If that is how the offense was defined in Philadelphia (or Pennsylvania, depending on whether this was a state law or city ordinance), a defendant could argue that once the jury acquitted her of the substantive offense, it would establish that she did not even offer (i.e., attempt) to engage in prostitution. Thus, by definition she could not have engaged even in an attempt. She wins.
Of course, that is a big if -- I don't know how the law in question defines prostitution. If it is actually engaging in sex for money, then the appeals court's decision seems a bit odd.
WTF is wrong with society?
We're ###### up and prone to sin by our very natures.
The big mistake is the people who thought it was a "Catholic problem" or a "celibate priest problem". It's a human being problem. There are molesters in absolutely every walk of life, and virtually every organization has tried to protect itself from liability and reputational damage through whatever means necessary.
Hell, you're not even legally allowed to sue gov't agencies, including public schools, no matter how badly they mishandle/cover-up the abuse.
That's part of the reason attorney's focused on the Catholic Church first. But now we're seeing that the same scandal exists everywhere.
1. Two former students, now adult, tell the school a current teacher molested them.
2. Admin approaches teacher, who says enough to get fired.
3. Admin tells police, as it is legally bound to do.
4. Former students refuse to cooperate with police.
5. Investigation is on hold, because with no victim there's no crime.
These situations go beyond just priests. It's coaches and teachers, regardless of their affiliation.
Which could be a very good thing, if guilty people get exposed. It can also be a very bad thing, if it leads to a bunch of people getting falsely accused.
It wasn't all that long ago that we went through the Wenatchee child abuse hysteria. I hope we're not seeing the start of a repeat of history.
Did anyone else see the HBO Real Sports piece about Bob Hewitt (70s-era South African tennis star) who's being accused of molesting multiple pre-teen girls whom he *cough* coached? Made my skin crawl. The worst part was the interview with another South African player from the period who recalled joking with other players about Hewitt's habits. Just beyond creepy.
These situations go beyond just priests. It's coaches and teachers, regardless of their affiliation.
Concur. We saw the wave of priest accusations when it became a big story. Now we'll see teachers, and coaches, and rabbis (there's a huge investigation of the orthodox community going on in Brooklyn right now).
Institutions protect their own, and it takes a lot of courage to speak out. It's about time we stop sweeping this under the rug.
While letting us poor kids use the church's gym, our cumbumbling priest used to goose us as we would take jump shots...telling us it would make us jump higher.
Damned if he wasn't right.
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