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posted 5 days ago by Jim Furtado to clint hurdle, defense, pirates, sabermetrics | 2 comment(s)

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1. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat posted on November 28, 2012 at 02:33 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

So the Red Sox haul for Kevin Youkilis now stands at a 26-year-old minor league reliever and a PTBNL from the Pirates.

2. Famous Original Joe C posted on November 28, 2012 at 02:47 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

So the Red Sox haul for Kevin Youkilis now stands at a 26-year-old minor league reliever and a PTBNL from the Pirates.

It won't look as bad when Youkilis is out of the league within two years.

3. SG posted on November 28, 2012 at 02:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Pirates are going all in, huh?

4. JJ1986 posted on November 28, 2012 at 03:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Red Sox are trading away everyone they DFA'd last week. Sandy Rosario to Oakland, Danny Valencia to Baltimore.

5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer posted on November 28, 2012 at 03:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

It's really a shame we traded Youkilis...having him would've moved us all the way to 71 wins!

He'd be gone now, anyway - whatever.

6. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora posted on November 28, 2012 at 03:35 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Robinson was an absolute monster in the Texas League in 2010, trouble is that he hasn't been that good before or since and last year he was pretty meh, he's only a year younger than Kila Ka'aihue...

Opponents have batted .342/.375/.587 off Zach Stewart, scary

7. Nasty Nate posted on November 28, 2012 at 03:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

It's really a shame we traded Youkilis...having him would've moved us all the way to 71 wins!

He'd be gone now, anyway - whatever.

There was a tiny chance they would have spent the $12 million on his option for '13...

8. eddieot posted on November 28, 2012 at 04:37 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Quite a career for the 26yo Stewart

Drafted by the Reds

Traded to the Jays (with others) for Scott Rolen

Traded to the White Sox (with others) for Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahan

Traded to the Red Sox (with others) for Kevin Youkilis

Traded to the Pirates for a PTBNL

9. Nasty Nate posted on November 28, 2012 at 04:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

He's like a poor man's Edwin Jackson

10. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat posted on November 28, 2012 at 06:28 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

So the Red Sox haul for Kevin Youkilis now stands at a 26-year-old minor league reliever and a PTBNL from the Pirates.

It won't look as bad when Youkilis is out of the league within two years.

I actually like the 26-year-old reliever and think he has a good shot at being more valuable than Brent Lillibridge going forward. And the PTBNL might well be more valuable than Stewart (which might simply mean that he never escapes the minors and thus doesn't provide negative value in MLB). If both of these pan out it'd be interesting that Youkilis was traded for nothing, but nothing that was then turned into something slightly better than nothing.

11. Dock Ellis on Acid

posted on November 28, 2012 at 07:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Has anyone been involved in three (or more) trades that netted a collection of guys as good as Scott Rolen, Edwin Jackson, and Kevin Youkilis?

12. vortex of dissipation posted on November 28, 2012 at 07:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Has anyone been involved in three (or more) trades that netted a collection of guys as good as Scott Rolen, Edwin Jackson, and Kevin Youkilis?

Doyle Alexander got traded several times; two of the players he got traded for were Frank Robinson and John Smoltz. Third best? Rudy May, Scott McGregor, Duane Ward, or Rick Dempsey...

13. Mike Emeigh

posted on November 28, 2012 at 07:48 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Pirates trade nothing, pick up nothing. Yawn.

Actually, that's not quite fair. I do like Stewart some, but he's 26 and hasn't shown he can get major league hitters out yet. Robinson is Garrett Jones lite. And Mazzaro is a reliever - maybe.

-- MWE

14. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit posted on November 28, 2012 at 07:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Has anyone been involved in three (or more) trades that netted a collection of guys as good as Scott Rolen, Edwin Jackson, and Kevin Youkilis?

Obviously he was great in his own right but Randy Johnson was dealt several times for a pretty impressive collection of talent. I remember seeing the list when he retired and it was awfully good.

15. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 28, 2012 at 07:57 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Gio Gonzalez was traded to the Phillies for Jim Thome, then to the White Sox for Freddy Garcia, then to the A's for Nick Swisher, then to the Nats for multiple future superstars.

16. Danny posted on November 28, 2012 at 07:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Has anyone been involved in three (or more) trades that netted a collection of guys as good as Scott Rolen, Edwin Jackson, and Kevin Youkilis?

Gio Gonzalez has been part of trades for Jim Thome, Freddy Garcia, and Nick Swisher.

Edit: too slow, Coke to Crispix

17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:03 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bobby Bonds was traded at various times for Brian Downing, Mickey Rivers, and Bobby Murcer.

18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The most-traded man in baseball history, Dick Littlefield, was moved at various times in deals for Jackie Robinson (who refused to report, killing the transaction), Al Dark, Ned Garver, and Sherm Lollar, among others.

19. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:11 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Ron Villone's got a top three of Andy Benes, Greg Vaughn, and Marquis Grissom.

20. Nasty Nate posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

...who else but Octavio Dotel...

21. hokieneer posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:19 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Has anyone been involved in three (or more) trades that netted a collection of guys as good as Scott Rolen, Edwin Jackson, and Kevin Youkilis?

Edwin Jackson has been traded quite a bit for usually pretty good talent in return.

22. Petunia inquires about ponies posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

to the Nats for multiple future superstars.
Who will themselves be traded for multiple future superstars...

#20 wins the thread though.

23. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:29 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Red Killefer was only traded twice, but one of them was for three Hall of Famers and the other was for the brother of a fourth HOFer.

Jimmy Ring was traded for Rogers Hornsby and Eppa Rixey in separate deals. His third might be Jack Bentley. Ring was traded with two HOFers, but one of them is the trick-question type.

24. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Brad Ausmus was only traded four times, but they were in exchange for Greg Harris, Bruce Hurst, John Flaherty, Chris Gomez, Doug Brocail, Brian Hunter, Todd Jones, Orlando Miller, Paul Bako, Dean Crow, Brian Powell, Roger Cedeno, Chris Holt and Mitch Meluskey. Quantity over quality.

25. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on November 28, 2012 at 08:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

...who else but Octavio Dotel...

Traded for Mike Hampton (1999); Carlos Beltran (2004); future HOFer Colby Rasmus (2011); and ... Kyle Davies.

Charles Johnson had the good fortune of being part of TWO Marlins salary dumps. The first time he was traded along with 25 other players for Mike Piazza and Todd Zeile. Then he was traded for Mike Hampton and Juan Pierre. In the meantime he was traded by the Dodgers to the Mets for Todd Hundley, by the Mets to the Orioles for Armando Benitez, and by the Orioles to the White Sox for Brook Fordyce and three bad prospects. In his last season he was traded for Byung-Hyun Kim. That's a good list!

26. Dock Ellis on Acid

posted on November 28, 2012 at 09:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Had completely forgotten about Gio Gonzalez.

Randy Johnson has been traded for Mark Langston, John Halama, Mike Campbell, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro, Javier Vazquez, Alberto Gonzalez, Steven Jackson, Ross Ohlendorf and Luis Vizcaino.

Edwin Jackson has been traded for Danys Baez, Lance Carter, Matt Joyce, Daniel Hudson, Jason Frasor, Trever Miller, Colby Rasmus, Brian Tallet, P.J. Walters, Zach Stewart, Ian Kennedy, Max Scherzer, and Phil Coke. I am not sure how three-way trades should be accounted for.

Octavio Dotel has been traded for Derek Bell, Mike Hampton, Carlos Beltran, Mark Teahan, Mike Wood, Kyle Davis, James McDonald, Trever Miller, Colby Rasmus, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters.

27. Wilson posted on November 29, 2012 at 01:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Eric Plunk was traded for Rickey Henderson, Rickey Henderson and Doug Jones.

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