Using the Bradford–Binet Intelligence Test…uhh, no.
Read More...The Gomes persona might offer the best evidence of an ‘07 dynamic within these Red Sox.
There might be some frustration for fans who choose to define success and failure by pure numbers with the outfielder hitting .183 with a .643 OPS. Intangibles aside, it certainly would behoove the Red Sox to get Gomes’ digits up a bit. But something as simple of managing to hit a ball in the air when his team needed it the most, as was the case in 10th ...
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1 2 >For SP, you could include Morales in that group. I agree that they need at least one quality starter from outside the organization. I think it is plausible for them to sign one of Peavy, Anibel Sanchez, and Edwin Jackson. I would guess that Sanchez would be the cheapest.
Do people think that Aviles and Aceves have positive trade value, or are they non-tender candidates?
I would think Aceves is a non-tender, but Aviles has value. The state of SS is so poor that Aviles was right around 2 WAR, even with his 76 OPS+ (career 92).
I did say the Sox could use a caddy for Ross if Kalish isn't ready in spring, and Sweeney probably makes a good bit of sense in that role.
Just a general thought that may become clear; I'm not expecting to contend in 2013. To that end I want to see the Sox thinking long term. The FA market is not great and I'd be fearful that the money burning a hole in John Henry's pocket gets spent unwisely. While it might be a PR hit I think the Sox need to be prepared NOT to spend that ~$60 million.
I think the issue of Saltalamacchia's Catcher ERA is an interesting one. The reasons for not putting too much faith in CERA are well discussed and not to be ignored but I hope the Sox are at least doing their due diligence to make sure it IS a fluke and not something more meaningful. Offensively I think he is fine though, I'll trade a bit of OBP for power.
I'm of the mind that they give the shortstop job to Iglesias and go for it. My thinking is that he's not going to learn his craft more than he has, it's just a question of whether he has the talent or not. With respect to Aviles I think he was really a good soldier this year and I'd be inclined to cut him loose if that is his preference. If they can keep him that's great, I think even with Iglesias here there are 300-400 at bats for him (start 1-2 days a week, pinch hit for Iggy as needed, rest others) but right about now a little good karma can't hurt this organization.
If the Sox want to be a bit risky why not talk to the Rox about Tulowitzki? I think that contract is potentially going to be a bit more tolerable with the new TV deal. To borrow an overused phrase, that is this winter's "market inefficiency." Not necessarily Tulo specifically but contracts that look like albatrosses but in fact are going to be OK.
The Sox have to find an outfielder and a great one at that. They need, just absolutely HAVE to go out and get a Justin Upton or someone similar. I think that's the one area this team can meaningfully upgrade in short order. I'm big on BJ Upton. While acknowledging his flaws I think the overall package is very good. He is the one player I look at in the FA class and think he's going to get a contract within that "market inefficiency" I described above. I'll be stunned if the Sox don't acquire an outfielder of some renown this winter.
I don't know if Jerry Sands' defense warrants a job but I'd like to see the Sox give him a go. I think he can be a useful RHB bat to play caddy to Kalish and a first baseman. Frankly I'd rather have him around than Ross.
I think Bard is in the MLB bullpen on Opening Day. Bard/Tazawa ahead of Bailey looks awfully good. I said it in September though and I'll keep saying it, I think Junichi Tazawa is your closer by August 1st either through injury to Bailey or a trade of a healthy Bailey to a contender. Running this all through my roster is roughly;
1B - A lefty Millar of some kind. Not sure I know who that player is but he's out there.
2B - Pedroia
3B - Middlebrooks
SS - Iglesias
LF - Ross
CF - Ellsbury
RF - An Upton
C - Saltalamacchia
DH - Ortiz
Util - Ciriaco (unless Aviles comes back)
OF - Nava
RHB - Sands
C - Lavarnway
I think you hit the pitching staff pretty well. I'd like Morales to get a full on shot, I liked what he did.;
SP - Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Doubront, Morales - With de la Rosa cooling his heels in Pawtucket and awaiting the call.
RP - Bailey, Bard, Miller, Atchison, Tazawa, Mortensen, Melancon - I think that's potentially an excellent bullpen. I don't think we should sleep on Alex Wilson at Pawtucket either.
I'm not saying he's good, I'm just saying that a bunch of teams are going to be starting worse players at SS next year. That bunch probably includes the Red Sox; and, I'm not disagreeing that they give Iglesias a look, if they're punting the season.
2) I do expect the club to contend in 2014, and I am opposed to a plan that depends on improving the club by 10 games or more during the 2013-2014 offseason. That seems like procrastination rather than a plan. The Sox have to improve the existing club significantly both this offseason and next if they want to become contenders again.
That's his roster for 2013, not 2014.
I'm not saying you should automatically have hope for the Sox, but what teams out there have fully fleshed out rosters for 2014 at this point that we can project to contend?
If the Sox search out the shortstop trade market, and they find there aren't any competent shortstops at prices they like, then Iglesias as a fallback in defensible. But it'd be disappointing, and it definitely shouldn't be plan A.
That's my question also. That looks like a roster that's much more than two players (of those not on the team) away from ~95 wins. Especially if the Orioles are good now (though that may be a one-year wonder.)
This is a fundamental problem that I had with The Trade. I have a difficult time seeing a path back to 95 wins in any reasonable time frame. I think my plan as outlined above does get us into low to mid-80s with a few assumptions;
1. Generally better health. Centerfield, DH, 3rd base are all positions that without much difficulty should be expected to provide considerably more value in 2013.
2. The pitching staff has to be better. The simple fact is that there is no path to 95 wins in 2014 that doesn't include "Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz being a ######## better than they were in 2012." If those guys aren't the anchors of this staff, we're toast.
3. I think the benefits of getting guys like de la Rosa or Morales meaningful work in 2013 should become apparent in 2014 much the way I expect 2012 to pay dividends for Doubront in 2013. I think there will be pitchers to be had in the 2013/2014 off-season if those guys don't pan out. I'd rather spend the money then after we've confirmed that the answer isn't already here. I don't want to spend big money on a guy like Greinke.
4. If you assume adding an Upton or similarly talented outfielder that should represent a meaningful upgrade over RF/LF (whichever one you want to assign to the new guy).
5. I think there is a good chance that Iglesias does suck. I also think there is a very good chance that another year at Pawtucket isn't going to make him better. If there is a shortstop to be had, go for it. I think there is a much better chance that Jose Iglesias is part of a 95 win 2014 team than there is that Mike Aviles is. If the better plan is Aviles with Iggy at Pawtucket, I'm not opposed to it. I think he'll benefit from facing stiffer competition. I'm a big believer in #### or get off the pot teaching.
My plan leaves the Sox needing in the 2013/2014 off-season;
1. A slugging first baseman
2. Acquire another playoff caliber starter if de la Rosa/Morales/Doubront ain't it
3. Add another outfielder if Kalish isn't it
4. A quality shortstop if Iglesias isn't it
I think the time is now for the Sox to evaluate. See if what they got is what they need There are a lot of players that I think need to be seen regularly to get an answer one way or the other.
Using a team win projection for 2013 to formulate a team win projection for 2014 is stacking false precision upon false precision to the point where it really doesn't tell us much.
Anyway, here's my offseason plan, Cameron-style:
Sign Josh Hamilton to a 6-year, $140m contract to play corner OF.
Sign David Ortiz to a 2-year, $29m contract.
Sign Mike Napoli to a 3-year, $30m contract to play 1B.
Sign Anibel Sanchez to a 3-year, $29m contract.
Sign Stephen Drew to a 1-year, $4m contract.
Trade Aceves and Aviles for whatever the market will give, if anything.
C - Salty, Lavarnway
1B - Napoli
2B - Pedroia
SS - Drew/Iglesias & pray for Bogaerts
3B - Middlebrooks
OF - Hamilton
OF - Ellsbury
OF - Kalish/Sweeny/org depth
DH - Ortiz
SP - Lester, Buccholz, Sanchez, Doubront, Lackey, Morales, De La Rosa, Webster...
The only two starters I'd more or less count on for 2014 are Lester and Buchholz. Lackey's a huge risk too, along with DLR/Morales/Doubront. The Sox are probably more likely to need two more playoff caliber starters for 2014. De La Rosa is coming off surgery and has never thrown a single pitch in AAA. Morales is coming off an arm injury and should be stash-able in some form. Since there's no reason they can't wait out Morales and DLR a bit, they should get another good starter this offseason.
Here we're basically on the same page, though I should note that it might be two more outfielders depending on Ellsbury's contract and performance. You have the Sox spending talent and money for one corner outfielder, and I agree with that plan.
As I said in #13, I don't see any reason why Iglesias can't be sent to AAA. This isn't a case like with Lavarnway where the guy has nothing more to learn. Iglesias will be 23, and even the most optimistic accounting of his hitting and fielding skills makes him nothing more than a complementary talent. He needs to focus on learning how to hit, and that's best achieved at AAA.
I don't disagree about this, but the Sox can both evaluate the talent they have and acquire better players at SP, 1B, and SS. There's always enough starts to go around, Iglesias doesn't need to be in the majors, and there aren't any first basemen to evaluate in the first place.
I'm open to the Sox doing nothing more ambitious than signing a good LF/RF and a good starting pitcher. It's possible there won't be any worthwhile trade targets for 1B or SS. But I think they've got to try, and I'll be mildly disappointed if they don't come up with anything on either front.
That's where I am too. I also don't want to deal with the fanbase and the press demanding a new SS because Iglesias's numbers are putrid while people are paying attention. (They weren't really paying attention in September or even late August because everyone had moved on.)
Fair enough. Scanning Cot's quickly I don't see any that excite me though.
I like Nate's Sanchez suggestion but to me he's the type of guy that seems to be available every off-season. I think the benefits of letting Morales and DLR (I like that) get 30-35 starts between them are better. Instead of spending $10 mil on Sanchez we spend $1 mil on DLR for 2014 and that's $9 million to put towards the big slugging 1B.
I just don't see signing Hamilton as a wise move. You just got yourself out from under some big money contracts and you're going to go sign a 32 year old with a checkered injury record and will be paid as a superstar despite only two such seasons in the last five. Hamilton is very good but I don't think he's as good as the market is going to require.
My fear of trying to make the dramatic leap this off-season is I think if we get it wrong it's a major setback. Don't get me wrong, if we can fill all the holes this off-season, by all means do it! I don't think it's feasible so I'm trying to put forth a plan that advances us without being unrealistically aggressive.
I don't disagree about the injury history and all the rest. That stuff is scary. But without that stuff, Hamilton gets Fielder money. So that's the trade-off. The right call depends on a lot of factors of which we're mostly ignorant.
EDITED: This post was very poorly written and argued in its original form, and I kind of overhauled it. Not sure it's better, but it's definitely different.
I agree that the trade was to unload Crawford, I just think it was an act in haste move. I'll be surprised if the Sox can use that money to get the same WAR that those guys would have provided.
Maybe it's a bad contract, maybe it's a huge bargain. It's not like Beckett has broken down and a return of the 2011 version is out of the question.
What does "luxury tax" mean here?
First, just an observation, the team's BABIP against was atrocious, one of the worst in baseball. So the pitching wasn't quite as bad as it looked, but the defense was pretty bad. Not sure what to do about that, just something I noticed. (Or is that all Fenway effect?)
This team, even with the departures from the megatrade and Bobby V, is completely unwatchable and almost completely unlikeable. I would plan to contend in 2013, but with a younger, cheaper, scrappier team, if at all possible. Please, please no Josh Hamilton, Nick Swisher, Mike Napoli, or other thirtysomething, bloated-contract bat.
I would like the Sox to continue to turn over the roster. I would definitely explore trading Lester and Ellsbury in particular. I have nothing against those guys but I don't see them as untradeable and I think we could get a useful return for them. It might benefit everyone (these players, the team, the fan base) to give them each a change of scenery.
I don't mind bringing back Ross and Ortiz, but I wouldn't go more than 1 year on either one. Please no more Mike Aviles, and please no Iglesias either.
Isn't Jerry Sands a decent option for 1B or LF, in a platoon role at the very least?
I think Alfredo Aceves should be given a spot in someone's starting rotation. It doesn't have to be ours, of course, but I think he'd do fine and be happier if given that role. I guess my suggestion there is the team should make an honest internal assessment of whether keeping him would be a chemistry problem. But I kinda would like to see how he'd do if given a starting job.
So where does that leave me?
I guess I'd like to see the Sox hunt for bargains and consider spending the $60M mostly on high-dollar but short-term deals. For example, I wonder if we could plug the holes by trading Lester and Iglesias for the Jimmy Rollins and Cliff Lee contracts (with other pieces no doubt needed to balance it out, haven't really thought it through) and seeing if Melky Cabrera would sign a deal like the one we gave Beltre -- high dollars, one year.
I could see Stephen Drew as a one-year contract guy, a situation that could work for both sides.
Is Kate available?
On Beckett, I'd disagree that he's a bad contract. He's probably fine, but one way that I look at it makes me happy: think of if you'd had the opportunity to sign Beckett, Crawford, and Gonzalez for only 1.7 years at the same money committed for their long-term deals. You'd be much happier with those contracts, especially if you had the benefit of knowing in advance that Crawford would be TERRIBLE, Beckett would be mediocre, and Gonzalez would have a frightening loss of power. The Sox got the best portions of each of these contracts, then got back some prospects to boot.
So the worry is that making this deal means there might be no options as good as Crawford/Gonzo/Beckett out there, even with all that money free--which is nutty. Those guys, optimistically stand to get you 10 WAR for $60 mil. There are several combinations of players out there who can do that, and probably for less.
Such as?
Pagan 3/30 - Sanchez 5/75 - Victorino 3/40
That looks to me like about 8 WAR for $38 mil. The leftover $22 mil can be used on another pitcher--Peavy? Haren?--and/or a 1b, a SS, or whatever.
Now rip away!
The guys who've gotten Fielder money so far are:
Votto, age 27, 6-bWAR player
Fielder, age 28, 4-bWAR player
Pujols, age 32, 6-8 bWAR player, all time great and likely big draw (this is what you would have to think the Angels were thinking when signing him).
Even without the other issues, I don't see 32-year-old, 4-bWAR Hamilton fitting into this group. Without those issues, I'd say he looks a lot more like Jayson Werth circa 2011. That would make his baseline a lot more like 7/126 (a contract that was widely ridiculed) before considering his issues. I can see someone going to 5/110 or so.
He should be relatively affordable, he's not blocking anyone, he's still good, he's a fan favorite, and finally, he can likely still be a solid contributor in 2014 in a theoretical pennant race.
Are you messing with us? Everyone wants Ortiz back!
You offer Ortiz 1/$12M or 2/$20M. Even 2/20 might be too generous for a cancerous player.
(And with that, I had the pool up at $80 mil or so, but I didn't leave in the wiggle room.)
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