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The Hall of Fame is full of players who have starred in the postseason, including Mr. October, Reggie Jackson
spare me the convulted fanboy argument that Ortiz's test result doesn't mean anything
you have to vote for a lot of other people, too.
no you don't.
there are a lot of fancy war totals that didn't win sh8t. call it bad luck, call it bad teammates, call it whatever. there is something to be said for being part of a lot of winning teams.
and please, I hope folks are not going to blather 'count the ringgzzz'. I am not saying that.
just that a player should have PART of the assessment tied to team success. if not then what's the point?
This month, David Ortiz CARLOS BELTRAN has probably become the first player in history to get over the hump and into the Hall of Fame by the margin of his spectacular postseason play.
call it bad luck, call it bad teammates, call it whatever. there is something to be said for being part of a lot of winning teams.
It surprises me that Ortiz is only up to ~6500 (regular season) PA for his career. It feels like he should have a lot more, but I guess the occasional injury, the somewhat late start as a regular, and missing however many games they play in national league parks each year have cost him a lot of PT. Edgar is still almost 2000 PA ahead of him, which I wouldn't have guessed.
I'm open to the argument. Not even including postseason heroics (which I am willing to consider), the guy has averaged 292/390/572 for 11 years. That sounds like a potential candidate. I could hardly care less whether he plays a couple more mediocre seasons and ends up with 500 HR instead of 431, 9500 PA instead of 8000, etc. That type of "short career" criticism, to me, is stupid.
I would want to know, though, how that decade or so of raking ranks in the all-time pantheon of decades. Being as much of an "offense-only" candidate as could be conceived (even significantly more than Edgar), it would have to rank pretty damn high.
I just go back to the basics. the player's goal is to help his team win. and by win that means win a championship. david Ortiz has done that a LOT in his career
and he should get credit for it.
consider my approach a 'multiplier' on certain contributions. because they are deemed THAT important
Yes, there seems to be some sort in glitch on Ortiz's BR page. His totals for individual teams are listed first, then his career totals. With everyone else, the career totals are listed first, followed by the totals for individual teams. It is a bit confusing. Just for the record, as others have noted, he's up to 8,249 PAS in his career.
That's 6500 PA in Boston only; he's about 8250 for his career. I made the same mistake, too.
I think it begins to matter when a guy is one of THE guys on multiple championship teams. this 2013 team is different from the 2007 team which is different from the 2004 team. and yet here is Ortiz, still being a big part of the success
Not even including postseason heroics (which I am willing to consider), the guy has averaged 292/390/572 for 11 years. That sounds like a potential candidate. ... I would want to know, though, how that decade or so of raking ranks in the all-time pantheon of decades.
I'm with Harvey in #10. Ortiz was the go to guy in three WS. He also has a pretty good shot at 500 hrs. If he gets there, he's pretty much in.
So to me, Medwick's case in terms of "Hall of Fame level accomplishments" amounts to nine years (1933-1941) of 142 OPS+/5.1 WAR per year, while Papi's currently amounts to 11 years (2003-2013) of 148 OPS+/3.8 WAR per year.
During the exact same timespan ('03-'13):
Ortiz: 6556 PA, .962 OPS
Pujouls: 7195 PA, 1.103 OPS
Miguel Cabrera: 7126 PA, .967 OPS
Pretty much any 11 year stretch you want to look at shows 2, 3, or 4 hitters with both more PA and a higher OPS+.
Is it weird that I'm still annoyed by Manny winning the 2004 WS MVP over Bellhorn?
But Ortiz has really just hit like normal ol' Ortiz in the post-season
I think 500 hr, now that the steroid era appears to be waning, is on its way back to being a benchmark achievement, like 3000 hits.
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