Using the Bradford–Binet Intelligence Test…uhh, no.
Read More...The Gomes persona might offer the best evidence of an ‘07 dynamic within these Red Sox.
There might be some frustration for fans who choose to define success and failure by pure numbers with the outfielder hitting .183 with a .643 OPS. Intangibles aside, it certainly would behoove the Red Sox to get Gomes’ digits up a bit. But something as simple of managing to hit a ball in the air when his team needed it the most, as was the case in 10th ...
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I think that's pretty clearly Tito giving joking around and giving Pedroia a little bit of business, which just continues the trash talking from when they were playing cribbage before games.
The distinction Francona makes above is, to me, a fair assessment. It won't be spun that way, for sure.
I find myself suddenly anti gun-control.
I don't know if it's funnier that the Red Sox have a rapid response team in place to release counter-intelligence directly from ownership to rebut an at most mildly embarrassing non-story within 24 hours, or that Gordon Edes thought this rapid response rebuttal was so journalistically valuable that it entitled his source to anonymity.
Maybe it was the caterer.
I think the Yawkeys were probably pretty passionate about it and I'll take Henry and friends over them any day. If this is the big "diss" or whatever the right term is then this book isn't exactly going to be shocking in its revelations (which is what I would expect from Tito).
You are probably right but that assumes it is a first hand comment. The source could be someone who heard the story from Werner or someone else at the meeting. "Hey, Tom told me that Tito seemed upset over his joke about..." But yeah, it's probably Werner.
I'm sure that, more than a toy or a hobby, it's a source of income for them. It isn't a charity or a non-profit. They may love baseball, but they love money even more. This is true of pretty much every single entity I've worked for, anyway.
Were these two trades defensible, at the time, for baseball reasons?
Absolutely defensible. Crawford (FA, not trade fwiw) was shakier, relying on a belief that advanced defensive stats are truly predictive to make it a really good contract, but on the flip side, he was not a very "sexy" signing either (all-around talent instead of big HR numbers, not especially talkative with the media).
I think it's safe to say both were primarily baseball moves, at least as much as the average big trade/FA.
Absolutely. Those growths on Lackey's face are all pleasure points.
I would argue that it was strongest with Crawford. The sexy thing to do in the 2009/2010 off-season would have been to sign Holliday. Big slugging outfielder to fit into the left field tradition at Fenway, known to Sox fans from the '07 World Series, I think that would have been the easy one.
Crawford is the sexy pick. He may not be media friendly but he's a flashy player of the type the Sox have rarely had, he fit the team's needs less than Lackey and Gonzalez and was the one of the three with the biggest difference between perceived value and actual value among fans.
Entirely anecdotal but from the friends and family I talked to there was MUCH more enthusiasm for the Crawford move than there was for Lackey.
The other thing about the Crawford signing is that in combination with the Gonzalez signing it created the story that the Sox won the winter and had assembled a Dream Team of sorts. I don't think either Gonzalez (too low a profile in SD) or Crawford (TB profile, speed and defense based valuation) were tremendously sexy signings by themselves.
But pair them together and clearly the Sox were back in business, baby!
And damnit, I never did use the actual word synergy. No wonder I can't get my feet in the door at a marketing company...
But you increased your brand recognition across all demographic sectors!
"They told us we didn't have any marketable players, that we needed some sizzle," he recalled. "We need some sexy guys. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. This is like an absurdist comedy. We'd become too big. It was the farthest thing removed from what we set out to be."
i have mocked consultants regularly but my background has been with finance/operational people who are highly prone to apply approaches that have worked elsewhere into every circumstance ignoring obvious contextual differences
i find this version hard to believe. at a superficial level it makes for a good read but i struggle to believe there is any semi-competent consultant who would make such an outlandish recommendation to a professional sports team like the red sox.
i understand if folks are going to point to my first paragraph to challenge my statement in paragraph 2.
still not buying what theo is selling here.
but i will accept being corrected by others
Now, is this report of Theo's comment surely his letting off steam and overstating the rift between himself and ownership? Sure. Does Tom Werner understand that winning brings butts to the seats and eyes to the screen? Sure. But there's a lot of wiggle room between a driving focus on building a winning ballclub and a recognition that a winning ballclub is an important piece of the puzzle. Epstein seems to be at point (a), with much of ownership and their marketing team closer to (b).
I kind of want to hear what Schilling thinks about Francona and Shaughnessy collaborating. (probably the first sentence ever that began with "I kind of want to hear what Schilling thinks...")
Schilling? Bah. I want to hear what Carl Everett thinks!
What strikes me about this is not just that it's silly to acquire players for their marketability, but that the Red Sox of that era had about as many recognizable personalities as any team in baseball. Ortiz, Pedroia, Papelbon... you can't market these guys? Youkilis is kind of disgusting, but certainly has his share of sizzle. Jacoby Ellsbury had a lot of promise. You've got the grizzled old captain, Jason Varitek.
If those aren't marketable players, then the only marketable player is Ichiro.
Well, this is true of all topics.
Sadly, Everett's time in Boston did not overlap with Francona's or this ownership group's.
But it overlaps with CHB's!
I don't get why Theo is trying to pass off the credit for the Gonzalez acquisition. That ended up working out for the team.
i get that the team had a big marketing initiative
it's the stuff above where the recommendation came to 'get more s8xy players'.
as much as i loathe consultants i struggle to believe anyone but a complete dimwit would put anything like that on a powerpoint.
but hey, maybe so. in which case shame on sox management for hiring doofuses
Horse-people are the new market inefficiency. It's a completely untapped market. Why else do you think the Yankees gave ARod 300m?
If you click a link that mentions horses and sex appeal, you get what you deserve. In fact, I'd argue you WANTED it! Pervert.
I deserve my punishment.
They passed along a lot of other interesting and useful information, I'm sure. And hearing it only from the angle of disgruntled former employees, I think the highlights of the meeting will tend toward the doofus stuff, or at least be spun that way. But I don't doubt a significant part of their message could indeed be summarized as, "Marketable players are more marketable."
It's not Tito, it's his son, Terry.
This is brought to you by the 2012-13 Minnesota Timberwolves advertisements, of which it is too late to change to "See Andrei Kirilenko play >30 minutes a game, if he's not out of the lineup due to temporary injury."
Not always. Eric Byrnes sucked but he was very popular in Arizona, and I'm sure marketing was a key reason reason they gave him 3/30. He may be an exception and not the rule, though. I'm trying to think of other players who were not very good but were popular anyway. David Eckstein?
I do think having the right kind of play by play man is very important, I don't think McCarver would be as bad if Joe Buck wasn't a cipher with vocal cords.
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