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I guess we can look forward to two more years of Stubbs (.277 OBP) and Cozart (.288) at the top of the lineup!
I hope he gets his World Championship.
Actually, I'd like to see Hanigan hit at the top of the lineup. He actually seems like a prototypical #2 hitter to me -- gets on base, very patient, rarely strikes out -- except that he's a slow catcher. And he doesn't have a lot of power, so batting him low in the lineup doesn't make as much sense.
But fast runners don't have much impact on that either. The speed of the batter makes a much bigger difference in DPs. Basically if the ball is hit slowly enough that an average or even above-average runner is going to make it a close play at 2nd, then most batters will beat the relay to first anyway.
So... how does Dusty Baker's HOF case look, if you combine his efforts as a player and manager? I mean, he'll come up short (2 A-S as a player; 3 MotY, no titles as a skip) - but has managed both 19 year playing and managerial career, to date.
He'll also be the first viable (non-Negro League) black manager candidate. (or have I forgotten somebody)
It's not clear they do combine. I mean it makes sense to me that the VC would and there are probably some (Schoendienst?) who got by on that combination.
An interesting team. The offense is not particularly good. Obviously another 200 PA of Votto would help but they're not likely to get that level of production out of Ludwick again. Frazier is interesting -- he's a late bloomer and his minor-league track record is hardly stellar as his ML OPS was 40 points higher this year than his career AAA OPS. He'll outhit Rolen 2012 but I'm not sure he'll be better than a league-average 3B. Anyway, it's basically all Votto and Phillips and hoping for league-average from 3-4 more positions (which is not unrealistic). The bench this year was generally pretty bad -- 364 PA for Cairo and Valdez is not a winning formula most of the time.
he often verges on awful when it comes to lineup decisions, PT decisions, and handling a pitching staff (from SP usage to running the bullpen).
I'm a big hall guy but frankly, leading three different teams to the postseason multiple times at each stop is a pretty meaningful accomplishment.
Its also much less meaningful to simply take your team to the postseason than it was 20 years ago.
Well, he didn't get there multiple times at each stop, which is probably one of the big reasons for that animosity issue you've got.
The Reds led the league in ERA+ by a wide margin this year. One wonders what would have happened if they'd had a manager who wasn't awful at running a pitching staff.
From staff management perspective, I just think he's the opposite of how good he is at keeping gimpy regulars healthy... he sometimes needlessly taxes arms without thinking about the big picture season.
OTOH, a pennant won now is more meaningful than one won in 1964.
Cito Gaston, two-time World Series winning manager says "Hello."
Ralph Houk, Tom Kelley and Danny Murtaugh, among others, ask what the hell he's saying hello for.
Houk, Kelley and Murtaugh were black, who knew?
Two WS victories haven't been enough to make those guys viable Hall of Fame candidates, and they aren't enough to do likewise for Cito.
The issue was that Chris was responding directly to the comment about a "viable black manager candidate", not viable candidates with two WS titles.
I don't think you're clear on the difference between viable candidate and inductee. Murtaugh received 50% of the vote in the 2010 Veterans Committee vote and Tom Kelly was on the final ballot that same year. That's a viable candidate in my book, even if I wouldn't vote for either of them myself.
I think I said at the time the Reds hired him that I thought he'd have a good 2-3 years - even perhaps exceeding team expectations, but then I figured it would get ugly in a hurry. He surprised me by actually having the Reds get their #### together after it looked like he was on his way out.
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