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Yanks slip substance into Trout's protein shake
it's also clear that a lot of (presumably) clean players have decided to throw the users under the bus, union or no.
Starting to see a lot of this.
Ray, why does it offend you that the clean players might want to change the public perception and gain back some credibility that their leadership pissed away? The Association (not Union) is supposed to reflect the wishes of its members.
Sorry, that question was posed to RDP.
PEDs don't expand the total salary pool.
It's good that the clean players are openly referring to the users as "cheaters" now. Early on, there was a lot of prognosticating about which way this debate would finally shift and it's nice that it is shifting towards the 'PEDs are cheating' side.
yes. Plenty of people say things they can never live up to when they are 20 years old.
But IMO, it's equally hard to come up with a reasonable argument about how it WAS cheating back in the McGwire/Bonds days. The attitudes shifted because the rules shifted.
They knew it was cheating and worked hard to give the impression they were not using. '
As opposed to all the players from the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's that were so forthcoming about their greenie use?
But IMO, it's equally hard to come up with a reasonable argument about how it WAS cheating back in the McGwire/Bonds days.
Robertson, A-Rod, Mets future and Trout
By KEN DAVIDOFF
Last Updated: 12:05 PM, August 13, 2013 [...]
Trout made waves early yesterday when he went on WFAN and opined that first-time illegal PED offenders should be booted out of the game. By the time he arrived at Yankee Stadium, he had been muzzled by his elders, as he referred all questions to the Angels’ player representative C.J. Wilson.
It’s fascinating that so many players are so vocal about increasing the illegal PED penalties, and I’d be surprised if the penalties weren’t strengthened this winter. But what we’ve seen over the past week is many players talking like lawyers – wondering why A-Rod gets to keep playing while he awaits his appeal hearing and so on. And I’m not sure if that’s really helping.
The players have a union, featuring extremely intelligent attorneys, to protect them in their eternal clash with ownership and the commissioner. They need these attorneys. And what can happen when players speak with their hearts is, the people with the brains (attorneys) eventually must explain to the passionate players why certain protections exist, and then the changes to the Joint Drug Agreement aren’t as drastic as fans are led to believe, and that can lead to ignorant fans accusing the players of being all talk and no action.
For their own benefit, the players would be better off voicing their complaints privately. This isn’t the era of 10 years ago when a brave minority of players spoke up about a better drug-testing program. Everyone is on board now. But you’re always going to want due process.
You quoted me, though.
I misinterpreted your point so immediately thought it was the other Ray.
God forbid that players speak their mind rather than just parrot the public relations talking points of the union.
Oh no, we have to have the precious lawyers do the talking for us. Yeah, that's the answer to the problem.
Who is saying this? People in this thread are mainly frustrated by the hypocrisy of the anti-steroid backlash when compared to the complete lack of acknowledgment of rampant PED using by players going back to the 50s or 60s or the other various forms of cheating that are somehow perfectly ok.
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