“I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT ROGER CLEMENS WILL BE ELECTED TO THE HALL OF FAME BEFORE JON HEYMAN”
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I don't understand why people give a crap about HGH. Isn't it about equivalent to injecting yourself with magic pixie dust?
From age 21 to 33, Clemens won 63 percent of his games with a 3.06 ERA, a 144 ERA+ and a 1.185 WHIP. And from age 34 to 43, he won 70 percent of his games with a 3.17 ERA, a 142 ERA+ and a 1.158 WHIP.
Verducci: Despite verdict, Clemens still on trial in court of public opinion
Shoeless Joe got banned for life despite hitting .375 in the World Series.
Either Clemens' record is not evidence of PED use, or Johnson is a prime suspect too. And I didn't get to cherry-pick Johnson's career; his "old" group of seasons would have been much stronger if I had used 21 to 32 and 33 to 43, since his age 33 season was one of his best.
That is a kangaroo court.
The two of them were inseparable, typically with Andy Pettitte close by.
No, kangaroos are far smarter than the sportswriters that create and maintain the court of public opinion.
Verducci is right: There's really nothing to commend Clemens as one of the people you'd expect to pitch clean in a dirty game. Maybe he did, but he certainly isn't at or near the top of the list of guys you'd expect to buck the trend.
Including the Verducci Defect…my latest Clemens/Bonds HOF Ballot Collecting Gizmo has ~ 51 - Will vote for C/B. 73 - Will Not vote for C/B. 42 - Not Sure.
Is he to you? Do you truly believe he abstained when his trainer supplied to others and half the league, including many superstars, were 'roiding?
"He got his velocity back,'' said Carlos Baerga, the Mets' second baseman, who batted against Clemens as a member of the Cleveland Indians. Had it been noticeable that Clemens had lost speed on his fastball? ''Oh yeah,'' Baerga said.
How does a pitcher regain lost velocity? ''Doing exercises, weights,'' Baerga said. ''He might have had a great conditioning program in the off season. Maybe he was determined to show everybody that he hadn't lost anything.''
"'He got his velocity back,'' said Carlos Baerga, the Mets' second baseman, who batted against Clemens as a member of the Cleveland Indians. Had it been noticeable that Clemens had lost speed on his fastball? ''Oh yeah,'' Baerga said.
If you at other suspected or known users, nobody (including Clemens) numerically looks to have benefited from any steroid use.
The two of them were inseparable, typically with Andy Pettitte close by. We know that Pettitte, Clemens’ close friend and workout partner, used HGH and used McNamee as his supplier and facilitator.
Mark McGwire had an OPS+ of 183 after the age of 30, 143 up through the age of 30
Sammy Sosa had an OPS+ of 142 after the age of 30, 119 up through the age of 30
The only evidence we have on Sosa is that he supposedly tested positive in 2003.
People like Ray and David love to point out that the only years in question for Clemens are 1998, 2000, and 2001,
so doesn't Sosa deserve the same benefit of the doubt?
Let's face it, with the exception of Bonds, there's no other player who has shown a drastic increase in production at an older age. Randy Johnson, who has never been linked to steroids, is the closest to Bonds in terms of production at an old age. Any other player doesn't come close. None of this means that I believe Bonds is the only one who benefited from any sort of PED, because I don't. I think many others did (and that includes Clemens). I'm just saying no other player besides Bonds statistically shows to have gained any substantial boost from ped's. Allan Barra has talked about this before.
Ed Delahanty: 146 through 30, 167 after.
This might clue you in to the very valid hypothesis that steroids don't impact baseball performance very much if at all.
If that's the case, then it should be clear that steroids or no steroids, Bonds and Clemens deserve recognition as the best player/pitcher ever, since only Babe Ruth and Walter Johnson statistically have cases to be ranked ahead of Bonds and Clemens, and both of them arguably faced vastly inferior competition in comparison to Bonds and Clemens.
Do you agree with that assertion, Ray?
hours trying like heck to find SOME evidence or person who could support mcnamee's story
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