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2.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
I think all three of these teams went overboard on protection and don't see much. There are some old AA relievers - Kyle Bellamy (White Sox), Mark Serrano and Brian Pearl (Reds) - who I kind of like but I seriously doubt any of them get considered by real teams.
Reds add five pitchers (Corcino, Contreras, Guillon, Partch, Ravin) and OF Yorman Rodriguez, leaving a spot open. They left off RHP Nick Christiani and OFs Juan Duran, Theo Bowe and Josh Fellhauer. Christiani is one of my "personal cheeseballs", to quote BA's John Manuel. I like him more than the raw numbers indicate and think he could help someone in the pen out of Rule 5. Bowe is Billy Hamilton ultra-lite; he can fly and field but he doesn't have the bat to be anything more than 5th OF material. Duran can hit a ball a long way - when he hits it.
Braves add C Bethancourt and Ps Spruill, Cory Rasmus, Hale, and Northcraft. They are at 36.
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6.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Mike's covered the Reds, but Braves added C Christian Bethancourt plus pitchers Zeke Spruill David Hale, Cory Ramsus and Aaron Northcraft. White Sox added pitchers Santos Rodriguez and Andre Riezno (who I really like), C Josh Phegley and former top prospect Jared Mitchell.
Brewers' guys are in, BTW. They protected Bucci, Burgos, Khris Davis, and Scooter Gennett.
I'll admit to a measure of curiosity about Kyle Heckathorn as a full-time reliever, and if Scarpetta's rehab goes well, leaving him off could be dangerous.
And then there's the Kentrail Davis enigma...
9.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Brewers add 5 - Ps Nick Bucci and Hiram Burgos, OFs Khris Davis and Josh Prince and 2B Scooter Gennett.
Interesting - I hadn't heard that. Shows the value of info from the local market.
You think Kentrail's second-half surge represents real progress, or was it just a well-timed hot streak?
19.Nasty Nate posted on November 20, 2012 at 01:06 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
What makes today Roster Addition Day? What deadline is today?
20.morineko posted on November 20, 2012 at 01:08 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
If someone really needs an LH reliever out of the Brewers system, Daniel Meadows would be eligible. He had kind of an off year last year and he doesn't start, but he had a better 2011 than Lucas Luetge did and the Mariners took him....
What makes today Roster Addition Day? What deadline is today?
The deadline to finalize rosters before the R5 draft. Deadline is 9 p.m. tonight, IIRC (which I may not).
22.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 01:10 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
What makes today Roster Addition Day? What deadline is today?
It's always November 20 (or the Monday after if November 20 is on the weekend). Anyone (eligible) not on a 40-man roster at the end of the day is available for the Rule 5 Draft
23.Nasty Nate posted on November 20, 2012 at 01:12 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Thanks guys. Does the Rule 5 draft happen next week?
24.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 01:13 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Thanks guys. Does the Rule 5 draft happen next week?
It's usually on Thursday of the December meetings, so I'd guess it's December 6.
Kentrail Davis is one of those guys about whom I made a mistake back when he was drafted; I really thought he'd be a lot better player than he's turned out to be, but the power just isn't there. He's a near-lock to be bypassed in Rule 5.
-- MWE
28.zonk posted on November 20, 2012 at 02:09 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cubs appear to already be at 39... and frankly, I could lop a couple off those already on the 40 man without sweating their loss too much.
I really thought he'd be a lot better player than he's turned out to be, but the power just isn't there.
I did, too, and that's why I'm so curious about his first/second half splits, and whether anyone who saw him play can weigh in. Pre-ASB, his ISO was .073, and post-ASB, his ISO was .182. It's probably just a fluke, but if it's not, he becomes interesting.
The Tigers released Ryan Raburn, clearing up a space on the 40-man.
The Mariners traded Trayvon Robinson to the Orioles for Robert Andino. Trayvon's a little old to be a prospect but on the surface, this seems like a nice move for Baltimore.
31.Greg (U)K posted on November 20, 2012 at 02:53 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Jays DFA Mike McDade, Mike McCoy and Cory Wade to make room for Ryan Goins and AJ Jimenez on the roster.
Forgive my ignorance here, but
A) does that mean McDade is Rule 5 Eligible?
and
B) does he draw any interest?
32.Brian C posted on November 20, 2012 at 02:54 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cubs appear to already be at 39... and frankly, I could lop off most of those already on the 40 man without sweating their loss too much.
Fixed that for you.
But seriously, who are your top three picks to be lopped off? I submit that this is a tougher question that it first seems. Gerardo Concepcion sure looks like a waste of a roster space at this point, but it also seems unrealistic that he'll be cut. So maybe I'd say Coleman, Rusin, and one of either Valbuena or Stewart, since a case could arguably and contentiously be made for one or the other but not both.
33.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 02:55 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
B) does he draw any interest?
I doubt it. Most position players who get picked are guys who can play a bunch of positions.
Forgive my ignorance here, but
A) does that mean McDade is Rule 5 Eligible?
and
B) does he draw any interest?
He was DFA'ed, which means that the Jays have ten days to trade him, release him, or put him on waivers. If they put him on waivers and he clears, he would then be eligible for the Rule 5 draft.
Of course, if a team were interested in him, they'd just claim him on waivers in the first place.
35.Greg (U)K posted on November 20, 2012 at 02:59 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Thanks for the input!
36.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 03:29 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Tigers add Bruce Rondon, Melvin Mercedes and Dixon Machado. I like Michael Morrison if he's not added later.
37.zonk posted on November 20, 2012 at 03:50 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
But seriously, who are your top three picks to be lopped off? I submit that this is a tougher question that it first seems. Gerardo Concepcion sure looks like a waste of a roster space at this point, but it also seems unrealistic that he'll be cut. So maybe I'd say Coleman, Rusin, and one of either Valbuena or Stewart, since a case could arguably and contentiously be made for one or the other but not both.
You've pretty much nailed 'em already -- Coleman, I suspect, is the consensus - if not unanimous - pick for "Why waste a roster spot on him?"
Whenever he fades into Porfi Altamirano-dom, Rusin seems poised to take his place... I see no need for either Stewart or Valbuena. Let Vitters get a full season of 150/180/220... or give the Rox a bag of sunflower seeds for Brandon Wood... or coax Andy Marte out of retirement... hold weekly fan tryout contests... whatever.
I'm not particularly high on Brooks Raley, either -- but I suppose he's bound to get some starts this year out of necessity, so I suppose there's no reason NOT to keep him on the 40 man in the absence of something better. I suppose he's left-handed, too...
38.zonk posted on November 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
So, allowing that we've still got half a day to go, who's the consensus most likely to be available and best pick?
I hear a lot about the Rangers' Leury Garcia, who seems like the prototypical fast, powerless utility IF but just might have enough bat to stick, while it sounds like the Rangers simply don't have room or need for him.
Royals add P Chris Dwyer, P Donnie Joseph, P John Lamb, P Justin Marks, P Mike Montgomery, and P Juan Gutierrez. They DFA C Adam Moore, P Vin Mazzarro, P Chris Volstad, P Ryan Verdugo, C Brayan Pena, 1B Clint Robinson and OF Derrick Robinson.
Nothing particularly interesting left off. Some fringy relievers: Buddy Baumann, Patrick Keating, Ryan Dennick, Brendan Lafferty, Bryan Paukovits, Leondy Perez, Sam Runion, Sugar Ray Marimon. Tim Melville was a prospect once upon a time. JC Sulbaran is a low ceiling starting pitcher.
43.esseff posted on November 20, 2012 at 05:10 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cardinals add pitchers Michael Blazek, Keith Butler, Eric Fornataro and Kevin Siegrist.
Earlier, they added pitcher Jorge Rondon before he could become a minor-league free agent, and released pitcher Brandon Dickson so he could pitch for Orix.
Players they're leaving exposed include Robert Stock, who was switched from catching to pitching last season; rhp Scott Gorgen, whose promising career was derailed by injury; center fielder Tommy Pham; 3b Roberto De La Cruz, who was a big free agent signing at 16; lhp Nick Additon; rhp Richard Castillo; and rhrp Adam Reifer, who was on the 40-man for a year or two but missed almost the entire 2011 season.
Cardinals are now at 39, but could jettison a guy like Barrett Browning if they need a spot for a free agent.
Thanks. That's what I had guessed. I predict the Twins will grab any plausible infielder that's available....Leury Garcia seems like a decent bet.
Here's the list, for those who don't want to click through:
Houston Astros
Chicago Cubs
Colorado Rockies
Minnesota Twins
Cleveland Indians
Miami Marlins
Boston Red Sox
Kansas City Royals
Toronto Blue Jays
New York Mets
Seattle Mariners
San Diego Padres
Pittsburgh Pirates
Arizona Diamondbacks
Philadelphia Phillies
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago White Sox
Los Angeles Dodgers
St. Louis Cardinals
Detroit Tigers
Los Angeles Angels
Tampa Bay Rays
Baltimore Orioles
Texas Rangers
Oakland Athletics
San Francisco Giants
Atlanta Braves
New York Yankees
Cincinnati Reds
Washington Nationals
46.JJ1986 posted on November 20, 2012 at 05:17 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
No, just a Juan Gutierrez, didn't you hear they come in six-packs?
48.zonk posted on November 20, 2012 at 05:28 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Cubs site shows 37 on the 40 man not including camp who they just signed
Do they have Baker and Zach Putnam (recently claimed off waivers from the rox) and Dionner Navarro? MLB.com has them at 39 - and the list looks right...
Fornataro's an interesting guy. He was converted to the bullpen this year at AA after pitching not-especially-well as a starter, and got himself onto the Cardinals' radar by adapting well to the role. He's a groundball guy - his money pitches are a sinker and a down-breaking curveball - and it would not surprise me at all if he became the next out-of-nowhere bullpen arm for the Cardinals.
Stock's conversion went OK for the most part (less than a hit per inning and nearly a K per inning), but like a lot of guys who are converting he had a lot of trouble throwing strikes (6 BB per 9 plus 11 HBP in 71 innings). It's not a surprise that he was left off the 40-man, and I don't think he'll be claimed; he really needs innings in the minors.
Marlins add Kyle Skipworth, Kyle Jensen, Marcell Ozuna, and Edgar Olmos. Skipworth is a former #1 pick who has yet to make contact consistently in the minors but who did manage 21 HRs for Jacksonville a year ago. Frankly, if he weren't a #1 pick he'd have been released a long time ago. Jensen's an outfielder with a power bat who struggled in his first full exposure to AA. Like Skipworth, he has a lot of swing-and-miss. Unlike Skipworth, he has hit at lower levels. Olmos throws hard but has control issues; I think he would have been a likely pick for someone in Rule 5 had he been left off.
Pirates add Tony Sanchez, Victor Black, Phil Irwin, Ramon Cabrera, and Hunter Strickland. The first four were no-brainers, more or less. Strickland was picked up in the Adam LaRoche deal in 2009, and frankly hasn't done much of anything to show that he's worthy of a 40-man spot, missing all of 2011 with a rotator cuff injury and throwing only 88 so-so innings last year at two levels.
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edit: too late.
I'll admit to a measure of curiosity about Kyle Heckathorn as a full-time reliever, and if Scarpetta's rehab goes well, leaving him off could be dangerous.
And then there's the Kentrail Davis enigma...
I got it from here.
Guess MLB's web drones are just taking a coffee break.
Three years it seems.
Yet another advantage of not having any good prospects!
What's your reasoning? Is it just that he's a southpaw?
Mostly. Being left-handed and apparently there were multiple teams with real interest in signing him.
You think Kentrail's second-half surge represents real progress, or was it just a well-timed hot streak?
The deadline to finalize rosters before the R5 draft. Deadline is 9 p.m. tonight, IIRC (which I may not).
It's always November 20 (or the Monday after if November 20 is on the weekend). Anyone (eligible) not on a 40-man roster at the end of the day is available for the Rule 5 Draft
It's usually on Thursday of the December meetings, so I'd guess it's December 6.
-- MWE
Kentrail Davis is one of those guys about whom I made a mistake back when he was drafted; I really thought he'd be a lot better player than he's turned out to be, but the power just isn't there. He's a near-lock to be bypassed in Rule 5.
-- MWE
I did, too, and that's why I'm so curious about his first/second half splits, and whether anyone who saw him play can weigh in. Pre-ASB, his ISO was .073, and post-ASB, his ISO was .182. It's probably just a fluke, but if it's not, he becomes interesting.
Too bad he's not playing winter ball anywhere.
The Mariners traded Trayvon Robinson to the Orioles for Robert Andino. Trayvon's a little old to be a prospect but on the surface, this seems like a nice move for Baltimore.
Forgive my ignorance here, but
A) does that mean McDade is Rule 5 Eligible?
and
B) does he draw any interest?
Fixed that for you.
But seriously, who are your top three picks to be lopped off? I submit that this is a tougher question that it first seems. Gerardo Concepcion sure looks like a waste of a roster space at this point, but it also seems unrealistic that he'll be cut. So maybe I'd say Coleman, Rusin, and one of either Valbuena or Stewart, since a case could arguably and contentiously be made for one or the other but not both.
I doubt it. Most position players who get picked are guys who can play a bunch of positions.
He was DFA'ed, which means that the Jays have ten days to trade him, release him, or put him on waivers. If they put him on waivers and he clears, he would then be eligible for the Rule 5 draft.
Of course, if a team were interested in him, they'd just claim him on waivers in the first place.
You've pretty much nailed 'em already -- Coleman, I suspect, is the consensus - if not unanimous - pick for "Why waste a roster spot on him?"
Whenever he fades into Porfi Altamirano-dom, Rusin seems poised to take his place... I see no need for either Stewart or Valbuena. Let Vitters get a full season of 150/180/220... or give the Rox a bag of sunflower seeds for Brandon Wood... or coax Andy Marte out of retirement... hold weekly fan tryout contests... whatever.
I'm not particularly high on Brooks Raley, either -- but I suppose he's bound to get some starts this year out of necessity, so I suppose there's no reason NOT to keep him on the 40 man in the absence of something better. I suppose he's left-handed, too...
I hear a lot about the Rangers' Leury Garcia, who seems like the prototypical fast, powerless utility IF but just might have enough bat to stick, while it sounds like the Rangers simply don't have room or need for him.
Six walks per nine is pretty terrifying.
Yes. Here is the draft order. The Rule 5 is the same except Pittsburgh doesn't get two picks.
Nothing particularly interesting left off. Some fringy relievers: Buddy Baumann, Patrick Keating, Ryan Dennick, Brendan Lafferty, Bryan Paukovits, Leondy Perez, Sam Runion, Sugar Ray Marimon. Tim Melville was a prospect once upon a time. JC Sulbaran is a low ceiling starting pitcher.
Earlier, they added pitcher Jorge Rondon before he could become a minor-league free agent, and released pitcher Brandon Dickson so he could pitch for Orix.
Players they're leaving exposed include Robert Stock, who was switched from catching to pitching last season; rhp Scott Gorgen, whose promising career was derailed by injury; center fielder Tommy Pham; 3b Roberto De La Cruz, who was a big free agent signing at 16; lhp Nick Additon; rhp Richard Castillo; and rhrp Adam Reifer, who was on the 40-man for a year or two but missed almost the entire 2011 season.
Cardinals are now at 39, but could jettison a guy like Barrett Browning if they need a spot for a free agent.
Here's the list, for those who don't want to click through:
Houston Astros
Chicago Cubs
Colorado Rockies
Minnesota Twins
Cleveland Indians
Miami Marlins
Boston Red Sox
Kansas City Royals
Toronto Blue Jays
New York Mets
Seattle Mariners
San Diego Padres
Pittsburgh Pirates
Arizona Diamondbacks
Philadelphia Phillies
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago White Sox
Los Angeles Dodgers
St. Louis Cardinals
Detroit Tigers
Los Angeles Angels
Tampa Bay Rays
Baltimore Orioles
Texas Rangers
Oakland Athletics
San Francisco Giants
Atlanta Braves
New York Yankees
Cincinnati Reds
Washington Nationals
The Juan Gutierrez?
Do they have Baker and Zach Putnam (recently claimed off waivers from the rox) and Dionner Navarro? MLB.com has them at 39 - and the list looks right...
Stock's conversion went OK for the most part (less than a hit per inning and nearly a K per inning), but like a lot of guys who are converting he had a lot of trouble throwing strikes (6 BB per 9 plus 11 HBP in 71 innings). It's not a surprise that he was left off the 40-man, and I don't think he'll be claimed; he really needs innings in the minors.
-- MWE
Pirates add Tony Sanchez, Victor Black, Phil Irwin, Ramon Cabrera, and Hunter Strickland. The first four were no-brainers, more or less. Strickland was picked up in the Adam LaRoche deal in 2009, and frankly hasn't done much of anything to show that he's worthy of a 40-man spot, missing all of 2011 with a rotator cuff injury and throwing only 88 so-so innings last year at two levels.
-- MWE
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