Wednesday, June 19, 2013
Sports on Earth: Super-Royal
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Read More...May 20 (Royals Newswire)—OF Clark Kent was called up from Omaha and started in right field over the weekend in place of Jeff Francoeur, who was hitting .209/.250/.295 as of May 19. Kent hit a Pacific Coast League-leading .908/.996/3.725 over two months in Omaha, winning eight consecutive PCL Player of the Week awards. However, Kent did not get a hit in his first three Major League games, as he bunted in his first 11 plate appearances against Oakland. “He has to learn to manufacture ...
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1 2 3 4 >Philly should be on the line to KC and see just how desperate they are. They also should watch out as Toronto might just try to slip in and fleece them.
Thinking out loud: Who are the other possible matches? You'd have to get a team that is not contending next season and that has a frontline starter who is not going to be a building block for the next few seasons. The Marlins already dumped Johnson. Does James McDonald on the Pirates fit the description? I know the Braves were shopping Hanson but he's regressed a bit.
Delgado/ jurrjens for Myers?
edit: OR even Lester, not 'and'.
Man, I'd love if the Tigers sent KC Scherzer for Wil Myers, but that will never happen.
The Royals lost 90 games last year. They need to win 20 more games before they're in contention -- 200 runs. The team OPS+ and ERA+ were both 96. The starting right fielder had an OPS+ of 81.
They don't need to be screwing around trying to get production from particular spots. They need as many runs as they can get, as cheaply as possible. They should be completely indifferent about whether they get those runs on offense, defense, or pitching.
Right now, the Royals are basically set at C, 1B, SS, 3B, LF, and DH, in the sense that they can't realistically upgrade the position on their current budget. If Lorenzo Cain is healthy, add CF to that list. That leaves RF (Francouer) and 2B (Getz) as positions that can be improved on a budget. It's just insane to let go of a young right fielder who can hit for average and power.
When's the next time the Royals are going to have a chance at a free agent outfielder as good as Myers projects to become?
-- MWE
He hit .314 with 37 home runs and slugged .600 between Double-A and Triple-A, and while it would take a big spring for him to crack the Royals' opening-day roster, Kansas City expects his arrival by May at latest – if he's still with the team.
How hard is it to crack that roster?
If you're a small market club, you do *not* trade a Wil Myers. His upside is far, far too high and his chances of getting there much too realistic to possibly justify moving him unless you're getting back a genuine ace who is youngish and still under team control at a reasonable price.
DMGM has to know this, and he's tended to his farm way too carefully to ruin the harvest now.
Wright definitely has value, of course.
It remains to be seen if the bump in K rate will be sustainable, but it wasn't an ability that he only showed at one point in the season. The Mets aren't in a position for that to matter very much-- I don't think the team will be competitive in 2013 or 2014. They simply don't have the talent on-hand or the money to spend to get it. The rotation with RA looks excellent, but they won't be able to score enough runs for it to matter.
This is a joke, right? A 37 year old knuckleballer who's signed for one year for a 21 year old AAA prospect who's cost controlled for six seasons? And you want a bonus, besides?
This is why you should never discuss hypothetical trades on the internet. The conversation quickly degenerates into unrealistic wish fulfillment on all sides.
Whenever people claim that Deal X could never happen, it's worth bearing mind that the Mets got Zach Wheeler for a half-season of Carlos Beltran. GMs do strange things sometimes. I wouldn't do that deal as the Royals-- if I'm the Royals I hold onto Myers for dear life, unless someone blows me away.
Edit: The Royals, for all of their talent, don't look particularly close to contending to me. They'd be banking on Hosmer and Moustakas both taking huge steps forward after miserable seasons, young pitching emerging, and Jeff Francouer not being himself again. Also, why are people excited about Lorenzo Cain?
How hard is it to change the CBA rules on arb eligibility? :-) Sheesh, the Royals didn't even give him a Sept cup of coffee last year.
Myers strikes me as one of the less sure-fire top prospects I've seen.
I'm curious what this is based on. The K-rate's a little high but not scary; good BA, good walk rate, good ISO; he's still playing plenty of CF (and stealing a handful of bases) so I assume he has the speed to project as at least average in RF. His age 20 season was a bit of a disaster but he bounced back completely last year. What's the warning sign?
I'd trade Hosmer before Myers, but unless you're putting together a package for someone like Felix Hernandez or something, I'd rather see if they can have the great offense that they thought they'd get out of Hosmer, Moose, and Myers.
Other than Myers, though, I'm all for trading prospects for established starters, not only pitchers but 2B and possibly CF.
Sorry about getting on your case earlier. Dickey might even be an interesting trade target for the Royals, but putting Myers into the discussion is simply absurd. Historically, the #1-5 prospects put up something like 10 WAR while they're under control of the team. At a free agent cost of $5 million per WAR, that's about $50 million, less the cost of their salary. Call it $30 million for the sake of argument.
The Mets would be putting up one year of R.A. Dickey, a 38 year old who throws a pitch that's historically difficult to control. He's scheduled to make $5 million in 2013, the only year the Mets control. Be generous, and figure he's worth $15 million on a one year contract. So you have the Mets offering something worth about $10 million, in return for something worth two or three times that much. That's not really close enough to be interesting.
I would be on board with this. Aside from Myers, the Royals are starting to get to a point where the talent in the pipeline doesn't necessarily match up with the needs on the field.
If the perfect deal came around, I wouldn't even be opposed to trading Myers. But what would a deal like that even look like? How many contracts out there have $20-30 million of potential excess value? How many of those line up with a position of need for the Royals, and why would those guys even be available? I think the only way to get fair value for Myers is to play him.
K rate?
That, and KC seems really reluctant to put him in the lineup, for whatever reason. It makes me suspicious that they know something that the rest of MLB hasn't figured out yet, and that they want to pump and dump him.
This is not generous. At $5 mil/WAR, Dickey was worth $23 mil last season. Plus, I think you have to assume that if you don't sign Dickey, you would make him a qualifying offer, and you would get the draft picks if you don't sign him. Myers may be too valuable to give up for Dickey, but not dramatically so. On the other hand, the Mets could offer Jon Niese for Myers, which I actually think is too much too give up from the Mets' perspective.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHA!
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Oh, wait, you were serious?
A proven, above-average cost-controlled major league lefthanded starter for a "prospect" who struck out 140 times in AA and AAA last year - this is the idea you're laughing at - from the perspective of the team with the "prospect"? I thought this was supposed to be a thinking fan's site.
According to the article, trading Myers for a starter is the Royals' idea, not an idea invented by Mets fans. Perhaps you can think of another starter who might be available that is better than Dickey or Niese.
So did I, and then I saw someone claim (apparently with a straight face) that a straight-up Niese-for-Myers deal would be tilted in the Royals' favor. And then you defended him!
I mean, that's some Danks-for-Lopez #### right there.
What would the A's fans feel good about giving for Myers?
What about the Rays?
What about the D'Backs?
EDIT: Or Vlad, would the Pirates give one of their young arms+ for Myers, or are they more concerned with finding arms (I assumed the latter).
I have an idea. Why don't you ask someone other than a Mets fan whether that's a fair deal or not?
Niese has one year as a middle of the rotation starter, certainly not a top of the rotation starter.
The implication of the intent is that Myers would be available for a youngish or cost controlled top of the rotation starter. Disqualifying Dickey.
Your not even in the ball park, son.
I wondered about that, but I think they're committed to Cole and Taillon and Heredia over the long haul. If they weren't willing to deal any of them for Headley last year, I don't think they'd deal them for Myers, either.
If the Royals were willing to go with a second-tier arm? Sure, they'd better be in on that. But I'd be shocked if KC couldn't get a better offer from someone else.
Plus, the Pirates are pretty set in the OF right now with McCutchen and Marte and Snider. If they were going to deal one of their big chips, I think it'd be for a bigger need, like a top shortstop or catcher.
Then again, I remember the halcyon days of Domonic Brown, #1 prospect.
Weighing the 2 points, I have to agree with #37.
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