Heh. Yeah, sure, why not.

I'm sure he'll produce a ridiculous binder supporting his candidacy in due time.

Putting Boras in the Baseball Hall of Fame makes just as much sense as the idea of enshrining Miller. In other words: no sense at all.

but still more sense then Kuhn

If Jim Rice brought THE FEAR to major league baseball, Scott Boras brought THE ABJECT PANTS-BROWNING TERROR.

The author owes me a new monitor.
And a new keyboard.
And a carpet cleaning.
And probably new shoes. And socks.
And [looks around] some new wallpaper. (Do they even make wallpaper anymore? Well, mine suddenly needs replacing, so the author better figure it out.)

Whether [Boras] belongs in the Hall of Fame at all is, of course, the bigger question. I think he does.

I vote for the guy who thought up all those online fees for buying tickets. He's brought the owners even more excess profits than Boras has cost them.

Jon Heyman has a vote, right?

To take this suggestion seriously, I'd have to say that Miller actively changed the business of the major leagues, with significant impact on competition and careers; Boras has just conducted business as usual in a successful way, without nearly as much influence on how and what we watch. I could be wrong, but that's my first impression. From #s 1-8 it seems like I'm not fixing to hear much counterargument :)

i would agree that scott boras deserves some mention in the hall of fame as it relates to how baseball has evolved over the years

It's an interesting point, but there are a bunch of high powered agents who have gotten their clients insane contracts. Boras is the best at what he does, but I don't think his career is in the same ballpark as Miller's from a historical perspective.

From #s 1-8 it seems like I'm not fixing to hear much counterargument :)

I was being serious insofar as not being particularly against it. Agents are part of baseball, so if Boras is the greatest agent ever, then he is a plausible HOF candidate.

I do think that there are non-players other than managers/GMs/owners/umps who should be considered more than they have been. Pitching coaches, writers, statistical reference website makers ;-)... and sure, perhaps agents. And I think it's clear that non-players aren't necessarily required to have changed the way the game is played; they can just be really good at their job.

It's hard, though, for me to worry too much about any of those guys when Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Tim Raines aren't getting elected.

i would agree that scott boras deserves some mention in the hall of fame as it relates to how baseball has evolved over the years

So let's put his picture up there next to the asterisk ball. They'd make a fitting pair.

Miller was a actual pioneer, so I vote "yes" for Marvin.

But since we've reached the Groucho Marx point with the HOF where Marvin would not have wanted to be a member of any club that would have him, I'm prepared to let that idea go.

What's next, a George Toma campaign for the HOF?

Hey, Toma is the only groundskeeper whose name I know. If I'm typical in that, then yeah, that does sound characteristic of a Hall of Famer.

Again, I wouldn't particularly advocate for it, but it wouldn't bother me any either. Would it have been unreasonable to give Edith Head a lifetime achievement Oscar?

I'll tell you one thing, I'd definitely prefer inducting agents or groundskeepers to inducting more damn umps.

Speaking of groundskeepers, do the Village People go in, as contributors to the game, for "YMCA"?

Beach ball manufacturers
Digital scoreboard operators
The person who first played duh-duh-DUH-duh on an organ
the top 15 peanut vendors at each ballpark, including now destroyed ballparks
Every member of the Busch family, including people divorced from Buschs


In 2018, the HOF will follow Time magazine and put a display up that says, "This year's HOF inductee" above a giant mirror

I'll tell you one thing, I'd definitely prefer inducting agents or groundskeepers to inducting more damn umps.

I think going forward umps should be easy to induct. Given the tools at our disposal we should be able to identify with some reasonable amount of objectivity who the good umps are and who the bad umps are. Maybe it already exists somewhere but information like "Dan Iassogna calls balls and strikes correctly on 95.8% of pitches, 4th in the majors" should exist.

Steinbrenner is obviously going in, so as long as we’re letting ultra-successful total ######## on the business side of the game in, yeah, sure, Boras. I have no problem with it.

Does Bob Sheppard get inducted - and if so, will Derek Jeter give the induction speech?

why would boras get an asterisk?

Would it have been unreasonable to give Edith Head a lifetime achievement Oscar?

Interesting analogy, though of course with the Oscars, the annual statuettes are more important than the lifetime awards, and Head had a closetful of them.

I'd be selective about non-players/non-managers; they'd have to have changed the game on the field via their influence, and few have done that. Chadwick. Landis. Rickey. Curt Flood, for that matter. (Both Rickey and Flood played, and Rickey was a field manager, but they wouldn't get in for those achievements.)

Though to whoever suggested a few threads back that the introducer of microbrews in ballparks should get a plaque, I am way down with that. We are still waiting for such a savior to come to Cowboys Stadium and rescue thirsty football fans.

In the spirit of the late Marvin Miller, I have to note that Henry Chadwick called the first attempts by players to unionize as the formation of secret terrorist organization (per Lowenfish "Imperfect Diamond").

Perhaps someone like Boras should therefore be inducted as countweight to the ranting of Chadwick?

The person who first played duh-duh-DUH-duh on an organ

Reportedly Eddie Layton. Although before Layton's baseball debut, Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble had already gone on shopping sprees while screaming "CHAARRRRRRGE IT!" after the duh-duh-duh-DUH-duh-DUH bugle call. The continuum of important culture is deeply complicated.

With contracts being more or less public, it should be possible to construct models to rank the effectiveness of agents. Don't see how Boras could be advocated without support from something like that.

I'd put Miller in the HoF but wouldn't expand the non-player membership further by including agents. What next, lawyers?