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I appreciate the manner in which Josh has handled this personally because he is a good young man. But this issue is a bigger issue about what's right with respect to the relationship between players and management. When those issues come to bear, this is a union that will stand up for its players.
-- DeMaurice Smith, on the NFLPA's concern that Josh Freeman's presence in the NFL's substance-abuse program became public.
Not sure why they'd bother with this though. I mean with strict liability MLB can stipulate that this is true and still win. But I guess they're the real fight is about the size of the penalty and I suppose this could matter.
But baseball’s drug policy allows players to challenge doping bans by proving a positive drug test was not due to fault or negligence, and numerous players have turned to that strategy.
My understanding is that MLB doesn't have a strict liability standard, at least not in the same sense that the Olympics does.
According to a source with knowledge of Rodriguez’s ongoing arbitration hearings, the embattled Yankee and his lawyers have presented a case based partly on the idea that Rodriguez believed the substances he procured from the Biogenesis anti-aging clinic were innocent legal supplements.
So, he thought they were legal, so that's why he tried to purchase and then destroy the evidence that he had bought them?
Sources familiar with the strategy to be employed by Alex Rodriguez in his appeal of a 211-game suspension strongly denied a report alleging that the New York Yankees third baseman would claim he had been duped by Anthony Bosch into believing he was taking legal supplements.
I think the Daily News has no credibility at all.
Sounds like a cross between Barry "Flaxseed Oil" Bonds and Bart "I didn't do it!" Simpson.
I thought the scenario was that the clinic (or that co-owner who walked off with some of the records) had approached ARod to try and sell them?
The owner of the South Florida anti-aging clinic at the center of baseball’s latest doping scandal asked embattled Yankee star Alex Rodriguez for financial help after Major League Baseball filed a lawsuit that alleged he had sold performance-enhancing drugs to Major League Baseball players.
When Rodriguez rebuffed Anthony Bosch’s request for money, believed to be in the hundreds of thousands, the self-styled “biochemist” turned to a strange bedfellow — MLB.
“A-Rod refused to pay him what he wanted,” said a source. “Baseball was worried about that.”
Porter Fischer wants $1 million for Biogenesis documents linking Alex Rodriguez and other players to the now-defunct South Florida anti-aging clinic - and he apparently does not care who writes the check, a source close to the player told the Daily News.
The former clinic employee approached Rodriguez's representatives a few weeks ago and offered to sell them the records he swiped from Biogenesis owner Anthony Bosch in exchange for a seven-figure payday. Fischer has also tried to sell the documents to other players linked to the clinic, the source told The News.
Rodriguez and his representatives declined to buy the documents, the source added.
NEW YORK -- Sources familiar with the strategy to be employed by Alex Rodriguez in his appeal of a 211-game suspension strongly denied a report alleging that the New York Yankees third baseman would claim he had been duped by Anthony Bosch into believing he was taking legal supplements.
"We cannot provide any details of this hearing, as the chair of the arbitration panel has issued an order prohibiting all parties from commenting publicly on the confidential proceedings, but what is being reported is not true," said a statement issued Wednesday by Ron Berkowitz, Rodriguez's publicist.
I'm so tired of Yankee Clapper, Albert Belle, and Chris Truby always chiming in with their opinions on what should be funny. Behold, centaur jokes are currently the 6th funniest theme on this site and a new untapped humor inefficiency. I'd post a graph to illustrate what this has to do with Frank Tanana, but I can't find any Madeleine Albright as centaur photoshops on Google.
And Mike Crudale.
Is that even legal?
I know it has been used around here before but when I read this I think of that john belushi movie where he's on his knees begging for a woman to not shoot him
However, I'm a little surprised the centaur jokes aren't considered worn out by now,
I'm so tired of Yankee Clapper, Albert Belle, and Chris Truby always chiming in with their opinions on what should be funny.
Apologies for the confusion.
you don't just use once on a Tuesday and then never again
For the life of me I can't see how 211 games holds up,
Isn't it down to 162 now?
No, the appeal stayed the discipline. It didn't count as time served (since he didn't in fact serve any time). If he loses big he will sit out 211 games going forward, into 2015. (At least, this is my read.)
The big problem with trying to punish through the CBA, though, is that the JDA speaks to drug issues.
But obstruction is not a drug issue, it's an obstruction issue.
The CBA argument might flop but it's pretty clearly the argument they are making. Specific penalties are not spelled out in the CBA so we don't know what breakdown MLB is imposing to get to 211 games (although I doubt it makes any rational sense).
Note, that bit is more specific than the one I remembered so apologies for the times I suggested we didn't know if they were proceeding on obstruction -- they clearly are. It also suggests that they are not proceeding with "participation".
Melky might be relevant but I don't see how Braun is. As far as I recall, Braun never lied to investigators or in the hearing. (He didn't confess which, to Selig, is the same as lying.) The hearing came down to procedure so what would Braun have lied about.
As to Weiner, this is the quote I'm thinking of: For the player appealing, Alex Rodriguez, we agree with his decision to fight his suspension. We believe that the Commissioner has not acted appropriately under the Basic Agreement. True, the JDA is part of the CBA and he may not be drawing the distinction that MLB did in their press release.
But, it seems clear that the MLBPA recognizes some JDA violation here:
While speaking to Chris Russo on Sirius XM Tuesday, union chief Michael Weiner said, “There was a number that I gave A-Rod and we advised him to take it. He was never given that number.” -
"Any test conducted under the program will be considered positive under the following circumstances: ...A player attempts to substitute, dilute, mask, or adulterate a specimen or in any other manger alter a test."
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