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When asked if he knew of any players using PEDs during his years as a major league manager, Valentine first said “I don’t think so,” but then segued to a specific incident during his time in Texas.
“My first thought, inkling, was back in the mid-1980s when Ruben Sierra came to my spring training and he had gained 30 pounds over the winter and I didn’t think he was a big weight-lifter. So, I tried to figure it out, investigate it, and then people told me it wasn’t some place I should be, so I never even looked again. If it was ever brought up, to tell you the truth, I said, please, bring it up in my presence.”
When asked by Roberts who, specifically, told him to back off, the organization or Sierra’s people, Valentine responded, “Whomever, it was a long time ago.”
And consciously or not, when he bats righthanded. Sierra evokes Clemente. It is not a duplicate image: Clemente wielded a fat-handled 36-ounce bat, Sierra swings a 32; Clemente had an aggressive, nearly lunging swing, Sierra's is less exaggerated. At 6'1", 210 pounds. Sierra has Clemente by two inches and 35 pounds. Still, as Mayoral says, "Put him in a Pirates uniform and stand 150 feet away, and it would be scary."
Last year was his breakthrough season. He hit 29 home runs and batted .306.
Now they wait for outfielders Ruben Sierra and Pete Incaviglia to blossom. The 23-year-old Sierra has at least beefed up; he added 23 pounds of muscle over the winter and vows, "This season's going to be different."
B-R, again for whatever it's worth, lists him at 6'1, 175.
Now 29 HRs is a tell. We're all going to have to recalibrate our Obvious Steroid Candidate detectors.
I remember the Fenway bleacher bums chanting "Steroids, Steroids,...." at Sierra in the 1992-94 time-frame (he was playing for Oakland).
The observation of extra bulk came after Sierra's power surge, not before.
My first thought, inkling, was back in the mid-1980s when Ruben Sierra came to my spring training and he had gained 30 pounds over the winter and I didn’t think he was a big weight-lifter. So, I tried to figure it out, investigate it, and then people told me it wasn’t some place I should be, so I never even looked again. If it was ever brought up, to tell you the truth, I said, please, bring it up in my presence.”
As someone who weightlifts/works out semi-seriously it's hilarious to hear some of these stories about what can and can't be done with the human body in terms of physical transformations. It's also really funny to hear about Ruben Sierra looking like Lou Ferrigno at 6'1'' and allegedly 215lbs. Sometimes, I just want to ask...do you even lift bro?
#28 It's probably true that the current generation couldn't add a bunch of muscle mass. But the guys playing before the mid 90s were actively discouraged from any form of strength training on the way up.
There are a lot of folks here who have no idea what they're talking about with respect to weight training, but as a general rule, a strong, athletic 180lb guy cannot add 30 pounds of lean muscle in 6 months without chemical help. A good buddy of mine is an amateur bodybuilder who does not use steroids, HGH, etc. I watched him go from a skinny 6'1, 140lbs to ~200 pounds of sculpted muscle and it took over 5 years. Everybody's body is different, and some folks have the genetics that allow them to pile muscle on faster than others, but some of the gains ballplayers have reported/shown up with are pretty suspicious.
How effective is creatine?
I watched him go from a skinny 6'1, 140lbs to ~200 pounds of sculpted muscle and it took over 5 years.
How effective is creatine? (I remember the Grantland story including McGwire's enthusiastic endorsement.)
A good buddy of mine is an amateur bodybuilder who does not use steroids, HGH, etc. I watched him go from a skinny 6'1, 140lbs to ~200 pounds of sculpted muscle and it took over 5 years.
It's gonna take 5 YEARS?!?!? Granted, I'm 6'2", more like 160-165 (140 in college, and mostly good weight added since then), and have no desire whatsoever to look like a bodybuilder, but just to be something other than skinny.... I figured more like 2!
GF, what age was he at the start of those 5 years? From what I've seen it helps to be in the 18-20 ages to start. Then you can really make a difference in a short time but, as you say, it does come with a bit of fat growth too.
all of the chatter around sierra and correa was because they LOOKED physically different
How effective is creatine?
I guess we should start calling them Performance Reducing Drugs. Would they still be bad?
I've been smoked by guys (and girls) in triathlons who looked like they had no business on the course. So much of this is genetic and specific to the individual, so I'm hesitant of giving people advice about diet or weight loss, or trying to draw conclusions about a person based on their appearance. (My advice is usually to try to get healthier/stronger/more fit, not to focus on getting thinner or losing weight.)
Then there was this guy,
My wife gained 40 points in like 9 months.
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