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d) Morris' actual 1983-1987 prime, while not HOF caliber, is very respectable. He averaged 19-11, 3.38 ERA (120 ERA+), 35 GS, 265 IP, 200K, 1.21 WHIP, 4 WAR.
To be considered a Morris Comp (hi Andy Pettitte! Curt Schilling!*
Pitcher/ ERA+/ bWARSchilling/ 127 / 77Petitte/ 117 / 55Morris/ 105 / 39
will Tigers success help Alan Trammell? No.
will Tigers success help Lou Whitaker? No.
If Jack Morris snswered every HoF question with a plea for one of his deserving teammates to get elected befoe himself, I'd feel less badly if Jack got in. Dont know why, since it's still a mistake, but my sympathy-meter would negate my rational brain a bit.
Could Tigers’ success help Jack Morris?
If Jack Morris snswered every HoF question with a plea for one of his deserving teammates to get elected befoe himself, I'd feel less badly if Jack got in.
Not having "been there," it's hard to see what was so great about him.
Believe it or not, YES. I have seen evidence of an effect where contemporary success by a franchise boosts the HOF voting totals of its favorite sons.
Jim Rice was actually losing votes for a couple years, and suddenly reversed course to start gaining again right after the 2004 Red Sox World Series.
Gary Carter's biggest vote gains came right after the two Mets playoff seasons in 1999 and 2000.
The 1983 White Sox division title immediately preceded large gains by all of Hoyt Wilhelm, Nellie Fox, and Luis Aparicio.
Don Drysdale and Duke Snider had several low years on the ballot, then made big gains amidst successful Dodger teams in 1977 through 1981.
Ralph Kiner spent three years in the 40s, then jumped to 55% after the Pirates 1970 division title, and reached 75% after the Pirates 1974 division title.
These are anecdotes, but I've been meaning to do a real study of a correlation between franchise success and HOF voting totals of its players in the next election.
Dave Stewart, for comparison, was 10-6 with a 2.77 ERA and 1.105 WHIP in the postseason in the same playoff format (except for 1981). He had an almost identical 133 IP, with 73 K, 48 BB and 13 HR allowed. He pitched for three World Series champions (though he was not a key member of the 1981 Dodgers).
Dave Stewart appeared on only two Hall of Fame ballots before dropping off, Catfish got in on his third try.
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