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Makes the prospects given up much more palatable. I like this deal much more than the James Shields deal, even in a vacuum where the Royals and Jays have an equal shot of winning this year.
I wonder if the Jays will actually win a series against the Rays this year. They're on something like an 0-16-2 streak overall and have lost 17 straight series at the Trop.
12.Tripon posted on December 17, 2012 at 03:27 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Didn't he want a no-trade if he signed an extension with the Mets?
That was speculation for the 'low' extension offer from Dickey. I haven't seen it sourced from anybody about the No trade clause.
Makes the prospects given up much more palatable. I like this deal much more than the James Shields deal, even in a vacuum where the Royals and Jays have an equal shot of winning this year.
Yes, and the Blue Jays are probably the favorite in the AL East right now, which makes it a slam dunk.
I really hope Toronto makes the playoffs. They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.
I have mixed feelings, but I guess that is a sign of a fair deal. As a Jays fan I am scanning the new Mets prospect list to try and guess what the final pieces are. Sierra to New York? Middle inflied prospect to Toronto (Cecchina?).
Would love to see Flores come to Toronto prompting a healthy discussion over the meaning of "non-elite".
25.RJ in TO posted on December 17, 2012 at 04:49 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.
They've actually been rebuilding it over the last couple years, beginning with the the cancellation of the Ricciardi clown show. Their TV ratings have been excellent, and they are seeing increases in attendance. A playoff season would definitely help, but getting people talking about baseball again in Toronto (and these trades have done that) will be a boost by itself.
They've actually been rebuilding it over the last couple years, beginning with the the cancellation of the Ricciardi clown show. Their TV ratings have been excellent, and they are seeing increases in attendance. A playoff season would definitely help, but getting people talking about baseball again in Toronto (and these trades have done that) will be a boost by itself.
How does the complete absence of hockey factor in? The Jays would seem to be the most likely beneficiaries of an NHL-free season.
Dickey and Reyes are both absurdly entertaining, and Giants fans were head over heels in love with Melky last year. This might be the funnest team in baseball.
28.RJ in TO posted on December 17, 2012 at 04:55 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
How does the complete absence of hockey factor in? The Jays would seem to be the most likely beneficiaries of an NHL-free season.
It certainly can't hurt. The sports stations (owned largely by Rogers) have to fill the time with something, and the Jays trades have given them just that. It's better than listening to the endless speculation as to when (or if) the NHLPA and owners are going to come to an agreement.
It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors.
It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors.
Oh, yeah I forgot they was a team.
30.Walt Davis posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:06 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Guess that the hometown discount was negative one million dollars
I think the clue there is: Some of the two-year, $25MM extension will be a signing bonus for 2013.
Dickey's getting a taste upfront in this deal. Still, my quickie calculation suggests that bonus would have to be quite large to make the NPVs work out the same as 5/13/13.
Makes the prospects given up much more palatable. I like this deal much more than the James Shields deal, even in a vacuum where the Royals and Jays have an equal shot of winning this year.
Would Dickey sign with the Royals for 2/$25 though? Probably not. So the option for the Royals was Myers + for two years of Shields or Myers + for one year of Dickey.
It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors
Stupidest nickname in sports history. Let's name our nba team after a 80 million years extinct dinosaur who will be instantly forgotten six weeks after the movie leaves the theater.
The Jays have to be the favorite at this point, I believe; all the other teams have significant weaknesses.
Would Dickey sign with the Royals for 2/$25 though? Probably not.
Why not?
It would probably require a must trade clause.
36.RJ in TO posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:15 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
The Jays have to be the favorite at this point, I believe; all the other teams have significant weaknesses.
They're probably the favorite now, but they have their weaknesses too. These trades have gutted a lot of their potential depth, so injuries (especially in the starting rotation) could cause all sorts of havoc. They also still need a 1B who doesn't fill me with hate, and someone who can remind Rasmus how to hit.
All this isn't a complaint, however. I love what they've done this offseason, in putting together a team which people aren't discussing in terms of if everything breaks right, they might be able to sneak in as a wildcard, but in terms of being the best of the AL East.
Stupidest nickname in sports history. Let's name our nba team after a 80 million years extinct dinosaur who will be instantly forgotten six weeks after the movie leaves the theater.
'Raptor' is a very general term for a bird of prey. The birds of prey is really quite a good name, I think, and 'raptor' is much snappier. The fact that it's also short for 'velociraptor' follows from the close relationship dinosaurs have to birds, and might even be why they chose that name, but I think the name is cool regardless of whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park.
39.RJ in TO posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:24 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park?
40.Tripon posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:30 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
So did they.
The Raptors players have already gone on record that they suck, but nobody cares. If that happened in any other NBA, that would have caused a uproar.
It was definitely inspired by Jurassic Park. Hence the ridiculous logo. 'Raptors' in and of itself is a great name, but pairing it with a dinosaur in shorts dribbling a ball only brings it down.
Anyway, as much as I'm a fan of RA overall I have to say I'm happy with the trade. I have to assume d'Arnaud starts out the year in the majors at least as a platoon with Buck, right?
42.Matthew E posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:33 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Someone pointed out that it looks like that d'Arnaud, against all odds, is going back to Vegas in 2013.
Phelps-Roper's Twitter was also hacked and the Westboro Baptist Church's website was taken down. Anonymous claimed responsibility for both via the @YourAnonNews account.
Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?
The Jays have certainly added a number of household names to their team.
46.Tripon posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:38 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Phelps-Roper's Twitter was also hacked and the Westboro Baptist Church's website was taken down. Anonymous claimed responsibility for both via the @YourAnonNews account.
Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?
What? Why would Anonymous target LaRoche or Lind?
47.RJ in TO posted on December 17, 2012 at 05:39 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?
They are likely stuck with Lind for now. They've already added a ton of payroll, between Johnson, Reyes, Dickey, and Buehrle.
'Raptor' is a very general term for a bird of prey. The birds of prey is really quite a good name, I think, and 'raptor' is much snappier. The fact that it's also short for 'velociraptor' follows from the close relationship dinosaurs have to birds, and might even be why they chose that name, but I think the name is cool regardless of whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park.
They have a dinosaur dribbling a basketball on their logo.
I really hope Toronto makes the playoffs. They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.
I know I'll be rooting for them (possibly pretty hard) once the Sox get mathematically eliminated. The number of players they've added this offseason that I really like is quite staggering - to go with Bautista, Morrow, EE5, Rasmus, Raj Davis (who gets slammed for sucking but is actually a very fun player), who I already liked, I have also always liked Buehrle (would be in contention for favorite non-rooting interest player if it wasn't for the weird dog subtext and gigantic truck), Josh Johnson, Reyes, Dickey... it's amazing actually.
Meanwhile Boston adds one faceless automaton after another. Sorry for the hijack. I like the Blue Jays, end of post.
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1 2 3 >I wonder if the qualifying offer amount has had some sort of weird anchoring effect on perceived value?
I hadn't thought of that, but that's a good call. Weirdly, the 2 uber-free agents--Hamilton and Greinke--have gotten almost exactly twice the anchor.
Didn't he want a no-trade if he signed an extension with the Mets?
They were hedging against the possibility of a trade partner seeing Dickey as more valuable at 1/5 than with the extension.
That was speculation for the 'low' extension offer from Dickey. I haven't seen it sourced from anybody about the No trade clause.
Well at least they salvaged a couple of ties.
Because that's rude? Honestly. That's a dick move.
And slamming your players and calling him a dick in the papers isn't?
Oh, of course it is.
Yes, and the Blue Jays are probably the favorite in the AL East right now, which makes it a slam dunk.
I really hope Toronto makes the playoffs. They have a really likable team, and should be able to rebuild their fanbase rapidly with some winning ball.
Would love to see Flores come to Toronto prompting a healthy discussion over the meaning of "non-elite".
It's got to seem like Christmas for Blue Jay fans.
Buehrle, Dickey, Johnson, Reyes, Izturis, Cabrera. Wow! What an off-season.
Don't forget, the Mets get a non-elite guy too. I mean, I personally would not call Anthony Gose an elite prospect...
They've actually been rebuilding it over the last couple years, beginning with the the cancellation of the Ricciardi clown show. Their TV ratings have been excellent, and they are seeing increases in attendance. A playoff season would definitely help, but getting people talking about baseball again in Toronto (and these trades have done that) will be a boost by itself.
How does the complete absence of hockey factor in? The Jays would seem to be the most likely beneficiaries of an NHL-free season.
It certainly can't hurt. The sports stations (owned largely by Rogers) have to fill the time with something, and the Jays trades have given them just that. It's better than listening to the endless speculation as to when (or if) the NHLPA and owners are going to come to an agreement.
It also helps that no one wants to talk about the Raptors.
Oh, yeah I forgot they was a team.
I think the clue there is: Some of the two-year, $25MM extension will be a signing bonus for 2013.
Dickey's getting a taste upfront in this deal. Still, my quickie calculation suggests that bonus would have to be quite large to make the NPVs work out the same as 5/13/13.
Would Dickey sign with the Royals for 2/$25 though? Probably not. So the option for the Royals was Myers + for two years of Shields or Myers + for one year of Dickey.
Stupidest nickname in sports history. Let's name our nba team after a 80 million years extinct dinosaur who will be instantly forgotten six weeks after the movie leaves the theater.
The Jays have to be the favorite at this point, I believe; all the other teams have significant weaknesses.
Why not?
So did they.
It would probably require a must trade clause.
They're probably the favorite now, but they have their weaknesses too. These trades have gutted a lot of their potential depth, so injuries (especially in the starting rotation) could cause all sorts of havoc. They also still need a 1B who doesn't fill me with hate, and someone who can remind Rasmus how to hit.
All this isn't a complaint, however. I love what they've done this offseason, in putting together a team which people aren't discussing in terms of if everything breaks right, they might be able to sneak in as a wildcard, but in terms of being the best of the AL East.
Pretty sure if Mets had countered his offer with $25M/2, Dickey snap accepts without any signing bonus required.
'Raptor' is a very general term for a bird of prey. The birds of prey is really quite a good name, I think, and 'raptor' is much snappier. The fact that it's also short for 'velociraptor' follows from the close relationship dinosaurs have to birds, and might even be why they chose that name, but I think the name is cool regardless of whether it was inspired by Jurassic Park.
The Raptors players have already gone on record that they suck, but nobody cares. If that happened in any other NBA, that would have caused a uproar.
Anyway, as much as I'm a fan of RA overall I have to say I'm happy with the trade. I have to assume d'Arnaud starts out the year in the majors at least as a platoon with Buck, right?
Would they go after Adam LaRoche or are they stuck with Lind?
Minnesota Wild? Oklahoma City Thunder?
The Jays have certainly added a number of household names to their team.
What? Why would Anonymous target LaRoche or Lind?
They are likely stuck with Lind for now. They've already added a ton of payroll, between Johnson, Reyes, Dickey, and Buehrle.
Haha, multiple threads at once! Cut and paste shenanigans!
But seriously, God Hates Jays.
They have a dinosaur dribbling a basketball on their logo.
I know I'll be rooting for them (possibly pretty hard) once the Sox get mathematically eliminated. The number of players they've added this offseason that I really like is quite staggering - to go with Bautista, Morrow, EE5, Rasmus, Raj Davis (who gets slammed for sucking but is actually a very fun player), who I already liked, I have also always liked Buehrle (would be in contention for favorite non-rooting interest player if it wasn't for the weird dog subtext and gigantic truck), Josh Johnson, Reyes, Dickey... it's amazing actually.
Meanwhile Boston adds one faceless automaton after another. Sorry for the hijack. I like the Blue Jays, end of post.
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