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Does someone want to play devil’s advocate here? Because I’m lost.
Players upset that other players are trying to compete. A shift is designed to beat the hitter but the hitter can't try to beat the shift. smh.
Lewis said he believes Rasmus knew he made a mistake based on what he said to the pitcher on the field.
"Whatever, he thought he could say two words the whole time, which is whatever, which is what most people respond with when they know they are in the wrong," Lewis said.
So I guess Lewis was saying that with his team down 2-0 the game was out of hand.
"Whatever, he thought he could say two words the whole time, which is whatever, which is what most people respond with when they know they are in the wrong"
I'm more of an unwritten rule adherent than most around here and I can't figure this out at all. What the #### is Lewis ######## about?
Well Dan Johnson, the guy behind rasmus, has a 3.6% HR rate in his career, and with Lewis pitching thats gotta like double right ?
Sounds like Lewis is one of those poker players who berates any player who makes a mistake and still wins.
I take from this thread that Walt Davis is the only person capable of reading for comprehension.
I would gather if his odds were 50% or better it could jolly well be a better strategy to bunt for the base hit.
I am not taking sides here, clearly Lewis should not have said anything, but a current runs throughout baseball history dealing with the proprieties of bunting that should not be ignored.
a current runs throughout baseball history dealing with the proprieties of bunting that should not be ignored.
Carew had 40 bunts in his career with 2 outs. He got 37 hits out of it.
For his career he got on base 161 times in 181 bunt attempts.
First of all, this has to exclude SH attempts, as he is credited with 128 of them. Surely he didn't reach base in at least 108 of them. Second, an .890 BA on bunting for a hit attempts? I'd have to see the data to believe it was anywhere near that. That's way beyond amazing. I'm not nearly so savvy with P-I to be able to generate the info myself.
Most Attempts Most HitsName Bunts Hits Pct Name Bunts Hits PctBrett Butler 442 226 .511 Brett Butler 442 226 .511Otis Nixon 344 158 .459 Kenny Lofton 297 175 .589Juan Pierre 335 140 .418 Otis Nixon 344 158 .459Maury Wills 307 149 .485 Rod Carew 190 151 .795Kenny Lofton 297 175 .589 Maury Wills 307 149 .485Alfredo Griffin 222 84 .378 Juan Pierre 335 140 .418Omar Vizquel 213 127 .596 Matty Alou 211 133 .630Roberto Alomar 213 126 .592 Omar Vizquel 213 127 .596Matty Alou 211 133 .630 Roberto Alomar 213 126 .592Larry Bowa 211 103 .488 Paul Molitor 179 107 .598Highest Success Rate (50+ attempts) Lowest Success Rate (50+ attempts)Name Bunts Hits Pct Name Bunts Hits PctSteve Garvey 75 62 .827 Pat Listach 57 15 .263Lee Mazzilli 51 41 .804 Nelson Liriano 63 18 .286Rod Carew 190 151 .795 Rick Miller 67 21 .313Dave Hollins 50 38 .760 Darren Lewis 140 44 .314Manny Mota 55 40 .727 Tommy Davis 56 18 .321Rob Wilfong 87 63 .724 Chone Figgins 77 25 .325Don Blasingame 93 67 .720 Joey Gathright 61 20 .328Mickey Rivers 87 61 .701 Brian McRae 146 49 .336Jose Valentin 78 53 .679 Cookie Rojas 68 23 .338Jeff Cirillo 61 41 .672 Ozzie Guillen 127 43 .339
Well, those numbers from CFB are sure stunning. I sit corrected. Still trying to figure out the P-I data for Carew.
The worse ten bunters have a collective ~.315 average on bunts? There's some self-selection, but something is missing here.
This is undeniably true, and I'd go even further. I get the sense there is a substantial portion of the baseball playing world who think bunting for hits is, by and large, for pussies.
I don't know; certainly if you're a speed guy/slap hitter nobody gets upset at the bunting.
Even if Lewis was being honest with his argument, (which is that he was upset because Rasmus was clearly only caring about his personal stats and not the team) he would have been wrong. By Rasmus getting on base, regardless of his decision to not try and steal, he managed to up the pitch count of the opposing pitcher, moved the batting order one spot and apparently also managed to get under the skin of the opposing pitcher and changes the likelihood of a run scoring from 6% to roughly 12%....all of those are benefits for the team.
#67 There is the point that almost all hitters (Tony Gwynn being the sole exception for the period I have data for) foul off a lot of pitches (only a handful got the in play % higher than 50%) and that has to matter in PAs that they end up hitting away after fouling off a bunt attempt.
"If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I'd wear a dress."
Man I hate those #######.... We have a free to enter tournament every week, winner gets a pair of Cardinal tickets, and about a third of the guys who enter think they are pro-players and berates people who play hands they probably shouldn't and win. It's hilarious because these guys almost never make it to the final table and it's always because "Someone played Q 8 off suit."....
Poker players who complain about people making bad calls are idiots. You want your opponents to make bad calls.
Just as it hurts in bridge to lose to somebody who adopts an inferior line of play that happens to work.
Didn't Mantle bunt for hits fairly frequently back in the '50s when he had his speed? With defenses often playing back due to his power, he had a lot of space to work with to lay one down. Not sure how opposing teams reacted to it, however.
Even in Mantle's best season, when he hit for an other-worldly 1.164 OPS and a 202 wRC+, he still managed to lay down 11 bunt-hits with the bases empty.
Also, these are like those troublesome "hitting .450 with a 0-0 count" numbers. If the bunter misses or fouls it off and doesn't try again, it doesn't get charted as an unsuccessful attempt, but he has wasted a strike.
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