Friday, May 24, 2013
Curtis Granderson has fractured left pinky finger
(riveraveblues.com)
Read More...The Yankees just can’t catch up to all these injuries. Less than two weeks after he returned from a fractured right forearm, Curtis Granderson suffered a fractured fifth metacarpal (left hand) in his left hand when Cesar Ramos hit him with a pitch in the fifth inning. No word on a timetable for his return, but it’s same injury Alex Rodriguez had last season. He missed six weeks. Crud.
Granderson, 32, actually stayed in the game to run the bases before being removed the game after the ...
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1 2 3 >I thought it was a painful loss, for some reason much worse than giving up some runs early and losing 4-0 or something.
That's the best I've seen CC pitch against the Os all year. They were probably lucky to scrape 2 runs when he's hitting his spots like that. Odds are that Sabathia willl be less sharp in a game 5 matchup, and hopefully Hammel will be more crisp with some game experience under his belt.
Tonight is not a must-win, but it will be a tall order to win three in a row at NYS, even though they've played well there all year. I'm optimistic against Pettitte. He has dominated the Orioles his whole career, but I watched him pitch twice in Septemer and he's not the pitcher he used to be. His season stats look good but that was mostly against the NL and the dregs of the AL.
That said, it's nice to see a few Yankee bats start to come to life, other than that third baseman who's now hitting under .133 with 2 outs and RISP in his long postseason career. Christ, if you take out 2000 and 2009 it'd probably be about .033.
True enough, and yet you can probably think of several hundred key games where a similar quarter of an inch would have changed the outcome of an entire series or season.
Especially after throwing 120 pitches in the game. Why he was in the 9th after they took the big lead is beyond me.
For whatever it's worth, the average OPS+ of the hitters faced by Pettitte was 94 (calculated as the sum of PA vs. Pettitte times OPS+ divided by PA).
The average OPS+ of the hitters faced by Sabathia was 95.
So you're asserting that if you take out the times he did well, his line would be worse? Iiiiinnnnnteresting.
Pettitte isn't pitching like that tonight, but Chen could match what Hammel did -- Hammel wasn't even that sharp. If Chen does that, it's 1-1 going to New York.
So you're asserting that if you take out the times he did well, his line would be worse? Iiiiinnnnnteresting.
Not as iiiiinnnnnteresting as the fact that even with those two years put in, it's still less than .133. If only I could believe in "the law of averages" I'd be a lot more sanguine.
Especially after throwing 120 pitches in the game. Why he was in the 9th after they took the big lead is beyond me.
There is zero evidence 120 pitches is at all stressful for a healthy, mature pitcher. For 90% of MLB history, Sabbathia would have been out there with 140 pitches.
And the way he was pitching was probably much less stressful than 100 pitches where he struggled.
Can we please stop pretending we know things about pitch counts that we don't.
CC wanted the CG. The announcers said repeatedly he's never had a post-season complete game.
I absolutely LOVE having a pitcher with that mindset.
What does this mean?
1. CC was not "sent out to pitch ... while having already thrown 120 pitches." He let after his 120th pitch. Box scores man, all sorts of info.
2. Take a look at CC's starts throughout the years. 120 is nothing for him. He's also been known to pitch effectively on short rest from Sept. on.
3. Whether or not he throws an equal gem should there be a game 5 will have ZERO to do with throwing 120 pitches.
4. Why was he sent out for the 9th? How about he wanted to be because he'd not even thrown 110 pitches at that time and had been cruising.
Jesus, this used to be a baseball site.
A-Rod has 304 postseason plate appearances. Looking at his career totals, out of his 11163 overall plate appearances (man, that's a huge number - already 34th all-time, and he has a pretty decent number of years left on that contract), it looks like 1110 of them have been at bats with two outs and runners in scoring position.
So he probably had all of 30 AB with two outs/RISP in his playoff career before yesterday, and had hits in four of them. Which is a part (and a bad part) of his postseason career, but hardly the entire career.
It's past time for people to stop doing this, yes.
It means you are not going to be using a 5 man rotation for the series, might have to use him again in relief/short rest, and might very well go into the next series without your rotation set.
But what's the point? He's done badly in some limited slice of PAs. And if we take out the times he did well, he looks even worse. Yay.
This is not what intelligent baseball analysis - or even intelligent fandom - focuses on.
Exactly. If you're up 2-1, you don't pitch CC on short rest. If you're down 2-1, you need to win both 4 & 5 anyway, and the pitchers are Hughes and CC in whichever order. No reason not to keep CC on full-rest.
Hey guys, being off by a dozen pitches doesn't change the point no matter how many people wish to focus on the minute error instead of the point.
The Yankees gain nothing by having him throw in the 9th with a 5 run lead. All they are doing is taking on risk and for what? Because CC wanted to throw a CG? That's the reason? This is the defense people are going with?
He's pitching Game 5, if needed, not before then.
The Yankees gain nothing by having him throw in the 9th with a 5 run lead. All they are doing is taking on risk and for what? Because CC wanted to throw a CG? That's the reason? This is the defense people are going with?
There's essentially no risk being taken. CC's going to throw a lot more than 12 pitches in his throw day session.
A pitcher throwing well at ~110 pitches is not taking any particular risk by throwing 10 more.
But what's the point? He's done badly in some limited slice of PAs. And if we take out the times he did well, he looks even worse. Yay.
This is not what intelligent baseball analysis - or even intelligent fandom - focuses on.
Who ever said that fandom was supposed to equate with sabermetrics? Of course he's a worthy Hall of Merit selection, but we already knew that.
But all those past glories of his aren't going to do his team a damn bit of good unless he can resurrect a few of them in the here and now. And that's what fans generally concentrate on when they're watching the games.
You and your pesky facts, SG.
I'll remain optimistic nonetheless, as its more fun that harping on last night's loss.
Plus, the 2012 Orioles are 1-0 in the postseason when I attend, and I'll be at the yard tonight.
A pitcher throwing well at ~110 pitches is not taking any particular risk by throwing 10 more.
I don't give a damn about the health concerns of 12 pitches on CC. This isn't about what CC wants or what is good for him, well, not totally. It is about what is best for the Yankees and there is absolutely no advantage to the Yankees in having CC pitch the 9th. Having CC pitch the 9th only increases the risks to the Yankees now and in the future.
Especially when that pitcher is Sabathia, who has proven to be a very durable veteran and whose season IP total in 2012 was the lowest since 2007.
Dis-concur.
Sabathia has a tremendous attitude of wanting to pitch deep in games and be a work-horse. You remember what he did for Milwaukee? Starting on short-rest for a month, heading into his Free Agency.
You reward that kind of attitude, b/c the team benefits from it every year.. If he wants to go for the CG you let him. It's pretty clear Girardi told him, first baserunner you're out, and wasn't going to let the pitch count get too high.
What's to say Robertson is less likely to get hurt than Sabathia?
I wouldn't say there's NO evidence...
I recall a study that I think Rany Jazeryerli did for a BPro annual (I think?) some years ago showing that there was significant evidence of a performance drop-off for pitchers in their next starts following a certain PC outing (I don't recall if it was 100, 120, or 140... but I think he laid out several benchmarks and found the correlation to grow significantly).
Now, hey -- Sabathia is a horse, he's a veteran, and there's probably not enough evidence to even require saying he might be an exception to a rule no proven...
However, ever since Mark Prior in 2003 - and I know the lead was smaller here - I've been a strong proponent of not wasting any pitches for your best pitchers in circumstances where you really shouldn't need your best pitcher's pitches to win.
I think there is an advantage to staying with CC. Let's say you go to Robertson or Soriano and they have a rough inning. Not anything catastrophic but they throw 20-25 pitches, that could come into play tonight. Even if they pitch well short relievers are short relievers because they are limited. I think giving the Orioles a free look at a reliever early in the series could potentially be harmful later.
On the other hand maybe you go to Lowe or someone like that. In that situation you run the slight risk that Lowe gets knocked around and all of a sudden it's 7-4 with a man on and you have to go to Soriano. A bloop and a blast and...####. That's a remote possibility and in June you go with Lowe. In October in a best of 5? Win the game in front of you, don't #### around and gear up for tomorrow.
Sure, sure... and yes, win the game today...
But a 5 run lead against a team that was 10th in RS in the AL? Throw your 3rd or 4th reliever out there to soak up 3 outs, and if you run into trouble, it's hard for me to see how the trouble would develop so quickly that you wouldn't have time to get one of your top 2 guys ready.
But, if you follow this theory, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you never let CC go 120 pitches except when you absolutely need him too, he won't be effective at 120 pitches, b/c he won't have the stamina built up.
The only way to have a high-endurance pitcher, is to let him work a lot.
But, having Joba throw 15-20 pitches is likely to have much more impact on his ability/effectiveness tomorrow than the extra pitches are going to impact CC on Friday.
The only way to have a high-endurance pitcher, is to let him work a lot.
So they need CC to get his 120 pitches in during Game 1 of the ALDS? That is what spring training is for and the regular season. If 12 extra pitches mean nothing to CC's long term health then 12 extra pitches means nothing for his future ability to throw 120 pitches. You can't have it both ways.
The difference is that in 2008 he finished the season with 3 days rest before his last 4 starts, including the postseason. I doubt if he'll be doing that this year.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Prior's injury troubles had anything to do with that 132-pitch outing in 2003.
No, but that, and his 116 pitch outing in the 12-3 game 2 may have contributed to his ineffectiveness in the 8th inning of game 6.
So? Is there evidence that it didn't lead to injury troubles?
The point really isn't about leading to injuries or not. The point is that with such a large lead there is no real reason to empty the tank on a starter you will need again soon.
I think people are questioning whether or not it really empties the tank.
Right - he lost it quickly (there were... other factors, of course).
Beyond that, though, it's not really injury that necessarily concerns me in October - flags fly forever, yada yada... I agree with "win today", but it's baseball, it's a series, and I just don't think it's wise to completely forget you've got more games.
Hey, if the Yankees sweep or even if they just don't need a game 5 - it's all pretty much moot anyway...
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