Tuesday, June 18, 2013
Kevin Youkilis needs back surgery, out 10-12 weeks
(hardballtalk.nbcsports.com)
######, NYC Tonite, Up Against The Wall
The injury hits just keep on coming for the Yankees, who announced that Kevin Youkilis needs surgery to repair a herniated disc and will be out for 10-12 weeks.
That puts Youkilis’ season in jeopardy, because 10 weeks would get him into September and any setbacks would leave him running out of time. Youkilis hit just .219 with two homers and a .648 OPS in 28 games for the Yankees after signing a one-year, $12 million deal as a free agent.
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1 2 >40% my ass. They've got a better shot at having the worst record in baseball than they have of making the postseason. The only thing that might keep them from falling to 30th is the presence of the Astros.
Oh, just stop it Andy. They're probably an 83-85 win team with the latest injuries. The might win 78 or 80, they might win 90 or 92, they're not going to win 60. They only look terrible b/c you're used to looking at Yankee rosters than project to win 95.
I actually wish you were right. I'm rooting for them to open up 25-45 so they trade Cano, Granderson and Kuroda in July and jump-start the rebuilding. Unfortunately, that's not likely.
They're still the Yankees, folks. They don't die, they multiply.
Isn't this a strange way to describe the 2000 season, when they won 87 games?
See #4 above. It's an open-ended offer that doesn't expire until opening day.
They're still the Yankees, folks. They don't die, they multiply.
Maybe so, but I'm not sure if the newly legitimized offspring of Mark Teixeira and Eduardo Nunez will do them much good until about 2034.
Sure. How big a sponsorship? $20?
I'm also willing to bet they finish ahead of Boston.
That season was so bizarre. It really looked like as soon as they knew they would clinch, they stopped trying, and then turned it on for the playoffs. You wouldn't think a team could do that, but they did.
The .590 W% they had before the Sept swoon is a better indication of the quality of that team than the final record.
I think we're all well aware of that, or can quickly verify on B-Ref.
They also very clearly have a World Series banner. Every team and fan in baseball would take 87 wins and a Championship over 107 and none.
Sure. How big a sponsorship? $20?
You're on, along with Matt and RBinNYC. I've bookmarked the page.
I'm also willing to bet they finish ahead of Boston.
Let's keep it with the Orioles. The Red Sox are fully capable of doing their own tanking.
I'm not sure the Yankees win a single game, and will likely quit playing baseball altogether by midsummer to avoid embarrassment.
I think you're having a hard time following. Or more to the point, your instinctive snark is clouding your comprehension in this instance.
I've seen you say this a ton this offseason. The Yankees should not trade Cano, especially in a market where elite players typically don't hit free agency before they are 32 or so. If Cano is in another uniform come August, or 2014, it will be a serious failing of the team's management. No plausible prospect package would make up for his production or the opportunity to negotiate with him exclusively.
Who exactly do you think the team is going to build around in two years if they trade Cano or don't re-sign him? I mean, ZIPs projects him to be the 5th best player (closer to second than he is to 7th) in all of baseball this year and you want to trade him because he might cost the Yanks (this is still the ############# YANKEES, regardless of the soft salary cap) a lot of money? I fail to see the logic.
Another reason to trade Cano would be getting back good players in return. They can still sign him as a FA in the offseason. All they have to do is to get back more than the value of the draft pick and accompanying slot money.
See Cardinals in 2006.
SEE MORRIS, JACK!
This can't be emphasized enough. It's sickening to listen to Yankees fans acting like such spoiled, whiny-ass little crybabies.
I'm willing to take that for a $20 BB-ref sponsorship. I think this is the year Satan cashes in the deal Zeth mentioned.
I don't think it is that simple now that the Dodgers are throwing around tons of cash and plenty of other teams have shown a willingness to shell out a lot of money for elite players. Letting Cano go play somewhere else removes the exclusive negotiating window while giving it to another team (presumably any team that trades for him will try to sign him). It would have to be a significant haul to make up for giving up that advantage in retaining him.
There is also the potential that being traded rubs Cano the wrong way or he finds out that he likes playing somewhere other than NY. And of course, trading the Yankees only star position player (in terms of actual on field production) would be a PR nightmare. If the Yanks want to keep Cano, trading him would be extremely risky. If they just want to get rid of him, like Snapper does, well, maybe I need to find a new team to root for.
Within five years - ten at the extreme outside - the Dodgers will have ownership who is dismayed at the unbelievable $ per win and they'll have a fire sale.
You're on, too. That makes four. Deadline is opening day.
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It's sickening to listen to Yankees fans....
Anything that can sicken BTF's leading brown diaper baby is definitely worth the effort.
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The Yankees will be quite fortunate if 22 of their 25 players live until October 1.
That's assuming that the love triangle that some of us know about isn't exposed by the tabloids, and that Ichiro's failure to hit his weight doesn't lead to hara-kiri. Either of these is about as likely as seeing Joe Girardi wearing #29 in 2014.
Trading all their players to the Astros and Marlins for pennies on the dollar.
**For A-Rod and A.J. Burnett (yes, A.J. Burnett) alone, the Yanks are paying $37.5 million this year, which is the equivalent of about 27% of the Giants' entire payroll, 33% of the Nats', and 43% of the Orioles'. It may well have been worth it for the memories 2009, but there are very few free lunches even in baseball.
I guarantee you Cano will be wearing another uniform tomorrow night! ;)
For A-Rod and A.J. Burnett (yes, A.J. Burnett) alone, the Yanks are paying $37.5 million this year, which is the equivalent of about 27% of the Giants' entire payroll, 33% of the Nats', and 43% of the Orioles'.
And about half again of the entire Astros payroll!
Bay and Santana are $31.5 - $52 million, depending on whether you calculate cash out or payroll.
From ESPN, Jan 2013:
LET'S NOT OK THX
$43.6 mil if ARod manages 13 HR.
Booked for a $20 b-ref sponsorship, then?
They only played 161 games that year, so that's why I assume it was phrased that way
they have cano. they have
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some other guys, mostly hurt and i have a hard time believing that His Captaincy will hit like he did last year, especially after a broken wrist
i would also bet they'll win more than the astros.
i don't care if they DID beat the nats yesterday. and brandon morrow today. you can't lose em ALL
You're on, too. That makes four. Deadline is opening day.
Booked for a $20 b-ref sponsorship, then?
Yep, that's the deal.
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if i was a betting woman, and i am not the kind who can afford to lose any money, i would bet that the yankees finish below .500.
they have cano. they have
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Well, they do have Sabathia (coming off surgery), Mariano (coming off surgery at 43), Pettitte (age 41) Kuroda (a veritable Spring chicken at 38), The Captain (coming off major surgery at 38), and the twin aces Hughes (99 ERA+) and Nova (83 ERA+). Not to mention ICHIRO! Count da ringz and get yourself one of those three dimensional printers, and we're all set.
Sometime in May, most likely, or shortly thereafter. Today's story is more a change in terminology than timetable.
Sounds like Jose Bautista, last year.
I didn't follow it closely enough to be spouting off, but I thought that was pretty much what the Blue Jays said last year before Bautista immediately aggravated it his first day back and the Jays says 'lol just kidding, it's unstable after all.'
They can still resign him, if the price is reasonable, but I wouldn't give him a $200M contract.
Yes, Cano will be great this year, and next year, but the Yankees probably won't be very good (given the self-imposed cap).
After that, we're talking about a 32-38 (if you're lucky to sign him for only 8 years) y.o. 2B. That's not gonna be a 6 WAR player. Best case you're paying $25M for 3-4 WAR p.a. That's just not particularly valuable. Most likely, by age-36, he's an oft-injured average player, like ARod.
At some point, this team needs to restock with young talent, and trading Cano could bring a lot of you talent.
I think the way the economics of baseball is trending, signing prime age FAs is basically always a bad idea (unless they hit FA really young).
Done. But you'll have to remind me in Oct. My memory for these things is non-existent.
this phrase exposes the deep, deep groupthink of this site, with not a single on-the-record quote to back it up.
The Yankees may well be cost-cutting because of some kazoo of the rules in 2014.
But I don't think any quotes or even reputable speculation has indicated that. But it's been repeated so many times on this site (this thread typifies this) that people on both sides of the normal Yankee wars tend to think of it as established fact.
I do not stipulate this to be true. I do not concede to the "common wisdom" of many of my respected fellow posters here. We do not know this stuff, yet we assume that we all do.
I've bookmarked the page, and hopefully ONE of us remembers. Maybe Sean Forman will remind us :)
The Yankees may well be cost-cutting because of some kazoo of the rules in 2014.
But I don't think any quotes or even reputable speculation has indicated that. But it's been repeated so many times on this site (this thread typifies this) that people on both sides of the normal Yankee wars tend to think of it as established fact.
I do not stipulate this to be true. I do not concede to the "common wisdom" of many of my respected fellow posters here. We do not know this stuff, yet we assume that we all do.
If it is not true, then the Yankees are acting deeply schizophrenically in the front office. There were gaping holes on this team that they failed to fill, largely b/c they wouldn't give more than one-year to anyone but Ichiro.
If they aren't going to get under, why isn't Russell Martin of AJ Pierzynski the catcher? Why didn't they get Scott Hairston to give them a RH OF? Why isn't there a reasonable SS backup for the 39 y.o. with a broken ankle?
If they're not going to get under the tax threshold, then they're just idiots.
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