god god; who's watching the watchdog?

...Giants’ fans like their players and support them. This is conspicuously absent in New York as the big stars don’t seem approachable. They have a boorish and bullying team executive in Randy Levine. Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick Swisher – is largely obnoxious and phony. Derek Jeter’s best trait is a balanced aloofness that helps keep the clubhouse in check, but doesn’t give an approachable warm and fuzzy feeling to fans.

I don't get the point here. Giants fans loved Bonds--who wasn't exactly approachable either. Yankee fans don't boo A-Rod because he's not approachable, they boo because of the fan culture. It's not like Posey is super approachable. He's a pretty generic MLB player. Probably the most likeable player on the team (at least in his off-field persona) is Romo, but he's not the most popular player on the team.

If they won't drop everything they're doing and hang out with you on the stickball diamond, well then #### em, they must think they're better than you.

I haven't been to Yankee Stadium this year but I understand these are the complaints: the Yankees have overpriced the seats, leaving a lot of empty ones, and Old Yankee Stadium was steeped at a higher angle, leading to more crowd noise.

Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick SwisherGiant- Brian Wilson – is largely obnoxious and phony.

Have to love the irony of a fan of the Giants picking on a largely obnoxious and phony.

It's kind of fun to see two articles in one day wishing that some other team was more like the Giants.

Even the most engaging Yankee – Nick SwisherGiant- Brian Wilson – is largely obnoxious and phony.

He's certainly obnoxious, but I'm not sure about phony. I know a lot of people who have run into him around town, and the weirdness is not an act for the camera.

The weirdest thing for me has been the last few weeks of listening to Giants fans ranting about "bandwagon" fans, or how bad it sucks to have many people rooting for their team, when it is doing well. That seems like a very strange thing to get upset about... and yet a very San Francisco thing to get upset about.

He's certainly obnoxious, but I'm not sure about phony. I know a lot of people who have run into him around town, and the weirdness is not an act for the camera.

I thought about changing it, but couldn't think of anything at the time to change it to.

One team's "voice" is Jon Miller, certainly one of the better play-by-play men in the game. The other's is John Sterling, an obnoxious, pompous hack who many of his own team's fans deem a joke and despise. Why be surprised?

Another angle: When the Giants played at Candlestick, San Francisco fans were known for being cynical and boorish. That has all changed with the move to China Basin. Perhaps the Yankees were trying to recapture the "cathedral" feel of the original Yankee Stadium, but it hasn't materialized.

Another angle: When the Giants played at Candlestick, San Francisco fans were known for being cynical and boorish.

I don't think this has changed that much.

I'm guessing that if the Giants' fans expected them to win the World Series every year for 15 straight years, it'd be much the same at the end of the 15 years.

I don't think Wilson is that obnoxious, in the sense that I too know a lot of people who have run into him and they have all had positive things to say about him.

I mean, dude should definitely teach a class about how to market yourself, but he's not a cynical jerk.