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Then Pujols’ light dimmed after he bolted from the adoring arms of Cardinals fans to snatch the free-agent cash ($240 million, give or take a few million) of the Los Angeles Angels.
I can't figure out why Chipper Jones isn't on that list in post 4.
Year A - 4.87 ERA, 120 ERA+
Year B - 3.16 ERA, 120 ERA+
That's the difference between 1999 Coors Field and 2011 Safeco Field.
P.S. When it comes to being revered unanimously, meaning 100% with no qualifications, no matter how petty**, the only player who meets that standard would be Musial.
Decades later, Cal Ripken Jr. had Tony Gwynn.
That's a heck of a lot of WAR for a guy who hasn't been able to stay in the lineup. B-Ref lists only thirty players with more WAR in their first ten seasons than Utley. Wow.
I can't imagine anyone having a problem with Gehrig.
Still I do agree with Not A Number that this reads like something a 15 year old girl would write about her crush.
Who had a problem with Mays while he was playing?
the 15 longest tenured players still active in 2012 were;
I have never heard an even mildly negative thing about Thome. Not that that is really on point, but still.
grandfather of you know who
How many times has Jeter oscillated between underrated and overrated? *that* has to be a record.
And Miserlou, you're right, I should have made Gehrig the other example of unanimous reverence along with Musial.
The STL MRP who is not a Cardinal would probably be Ichiro or the leftover Pujols fans, of whom there are many. But fans of other teams should post up their own teams' MRP, instead of reading my guesses about their team and city.
People are misreading Flood's book. Whether this is deliberate or not from Murray Chass, I don't know. But both accusations against Flood (and/or Musial and Mays) are based on passages in this book, and if you actually read the book with the context surrounding those passages, you will certainly note that there is no hostility towards Musial or Mays. You want The Way It Is, not the later Curt Flood autobio. TWII is my favorite of all baseball books, because it successfully places baseball into the context of the 1950s and 1960s, and is really the first book to do that within the framework of a player autobio. It's sort of like Ball Four, only written for adults rather than teenagers. Read it for yourself; then laugh at Chass.
From a character point of view, or a value point of view?
Of those 13, 6 are Yankees: A-Rod, Jeter, Pettitte, Sabathia, Mo, Ichiro. Only other team with more than 1 living legend is the Phillies (Utley, Halladay).
It's sort of like Ball Four, only written for adults rather than teenagers.
I think Jeter has stayed a Yankee for his entire career in no small part because the Yankees value him more than any other club would, and part of that is that his value to the Yankees may be higher than it would be to any other team. Does he really get loyalty points for that?
I can't imagine anyone having a problem with Gehrig
The young Ruth certainly wasn't revered.
#28 The young Ruth certainly wasn't revered. During one of the Giants/Yankees World Series he's reported to have responded to heckling from the Giants (Johnny Rawlings in particular) with "Hey you guys, I don't mind if you call me ########## or ############ or sonofabitch -- but lay off the personal stuff will you?" (and if that sounds weirdly good natured he was totally serious. Tried to get Rawlings to fight him but backed down when Earl Smith volunteered instead.
Terence Moore: Without doubt, Jeter in a class by himself
There was a famous bench clearing brawl (hard slide by Carl Reynolds, heated words exchanged, Dickey breaks Reynolds' jaw, full scale brawl). Ruth and Gehrig sat it out. Staying in the dugout and laughing. Now I'm not saying either of them was wrong, but I'd be surprised if some of their teammates didn't resent them not coming out. Percival's attitude is pretty common in sports.
Seriously, the only really good player I share a birthday with, unless you count Jerry Reuss.
GREENWELL LABELS TEAMMATES 'FAIRIES'
The Boston Globe (Boston, MA)
June 25, 1989 | Kevin Paul Dupont, Globe Staff
The fact that the Red Sox don't seem to have much fight in them this year is apparent to the players themselves, at least to Mike Greenwell.
According to a report in yesterday's Patriot Ledger, the Sox' star left fielder labeled some of his teammates "wimps" and "fairies" for not responding during a short on-field confrontation Thursday night with the Texas Rangers.
"We have a bunch of wimps on this team," Greenwell told the Ledger's Nick Cafardo. "When are we going to act like a team and stop acting like a bunch of fairies?"
Greenwell said he was irked to see some of his teammates still sitting in the dugout after Sox pitcher Mike Smithson triggered …
Late to the party here, but just wanted to add one anecdote to Brock's great post about Musial's racial attitudes. This was told by Bob Costas in his eulogy, so it's pretty well-known here, but in case you missed it: Musial walked into the NL all-star clubhouse at one point in the 50s. A group of African-American players were playing cards in the corner, no white players involved. Musial walked over, sat down, said "deal me in." And Costas pointed out, Musial ordinarily wasn't much for card-playing.
People are misreading Flood's book. Whether this is deliberate or not from Murray Chass, I don't know.
According to that ill-informed hatchet piece, Marvin Miller made those claims against Musial. But ol' Marv was making a bunch of idiotic claims at that point, at least as reported by the Chasshole.
I thought Marvin was making claims against Musial, that Musial conspired with the owners to make sure that the players didn't get money(Conspired might be a little over the top, but basically that Musial was serving the owners interests and not the players). I thought Chass decided to add that piece about Flood going to Biggies, implying that Musial allowed his name to be put on a business that practiced segregation, and that it was indicative of the type of person he was. He didn't distort the story as much as put his own personal spin on it.
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