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I think that the GIFs reveal more about the positioning than they do about the player.
Ryan is converting outs farther in the hole than Jeter, farther to his left than Jeter, closer to home than Jeter and further away from home than Jeter. In essence, it looks by the spray chart that Jeter is really good at making routine plays look like tough plays. Thus, Jeter's range looks really, really limited.
Jeter has played five games at shortstop this year, and has amassed seven assists.
Bill James' intro to one of the Fielding Bible books details the experience of watching every Jeter play that season in succession. I suggest that everyone who is tempted to engage in Jeter defense revisionism seek it out. (As should I, if only to remember which book it was.)
Uh...I'd recommend reading this article.
What struck me about the scatterplot is that Jeter's plays are all in a very tight straight line, with nothing forward or backward from it. In other words, he didn't make a single good play by coming in on the ball.
Wow, a 37-38 year old Derek Jeter is not nearly as good as a 29-30 year old glove-only shortstop.
So this is the tragedy of Derek Jeter's defense: Just when he finally found out how to play shortstop, he began to get old. Jeter no longer makes as many fundamental mistakes as he did in his early thirties, the last time someone studied his best and worst plays. But at an age at which only a handful of players have managed to spend a full season at shortstop, he lacks the speed to take advantage of his improved positioning.
Who has been the Yankees' bench coach - isn't that who usually directs the positioning in the field?
Even on his most famous catch of all time, it running like he's hauling in a routine flyball.
And that is a terrible missed call. How do you blow a triple play in the world series when the tag happens right in front of your face?
I know the writer did not write the headline, but when pieces like these refer to Jeter's defense as a "tragedy," it just creates melodrama that detracts from the credible research in the article.
Kelly Gruber having to outrun Deion Sanders is not how that is supposed to end.
True, but worse is a major league infield blowing a rundown like that. Kelly Gruber having to outrun Deion Sanders is not how that is supposed to end.
I'm inclined to go with "The Travesty of Derek Jeter's Defense." I got alerted to the problem reading Win Shares, the book. In the book, Bill James grades a large number of players at every position. This is as of the year 2000, so Jeter had only played 6 years, and defense is usually a young player's game. Jeter graded as a D, which is really dreadful; Bill's system, where he only graded players who actually played some serious number of games at the position, gives very few bad grades, because the guys who would get bad grades didn't play the position long enough to make Bill's cutoff. This is Jeter's EARLY career. I made a note of that, and Jeter has done nothing to make me think that Bill's methods were off when he did that grade. Derek Jeter simply is not, and never was, a shortstop on defense. He should not have been assigned that spot in the first place. Whether to blame Jeter or his manager at the time, or someone else, I do not know. - Brock Hanke
But Jeter came perilously close to becoming a Redleg, and that's just one of many anecdotes explored in Ian O'Connor's sprawling biography, The Captain: The Journey of Derek Jeter. [...]
Jeter was promoted to the Class A Greensboro Hornets in 1993, taking the field daily at ancient War Memorial Stadium (built in 1926). While he ended the season with a .295 average, his fielding was disastrous. His friend and teammate R.D. Long remarked that Jeter looked "like a right fielder trying to play shortstop. He had gangly legs going in every which direction, gangly arms going in every which direction. If he picked it up, he threw it away. Every way you can make an error, he made it."
Indeed he did, and Jeter ended up in the record books for a most ignominious reason -- his 56 errors were the most committed in one season by any player in South Atlantic League history.
Still, the 1993 season wasn't without an upside. In addition to finding his hitting stroke as a professional, Jeter established himself as a steadying presence and clubhouse leader on an 85-56 Greensboro team that came within one out of winning the Sally League championship.
He worked tirelessly on his defense throughout the 1993-'94 offseason with coach Brian Butterfield and, in 1994, put together the kind of year that easily could be called "Jeter-esque."
At 20, Jeter began the season with Class A Advanced Tampa and ended it with Triple-A Columbus. All told, he hit .344 with 50 stolen bases over 138 games while reducing his errors to a far more respectable 25.
Jeter was now on the cusp, his Major League dreams tantalizingly close to reality, and they came true on the morning of May 28, 1995. Columbus manager Bill Evers knocked on his hotel room door at 6 a.m. and delivered the news: "Congratulations, you're going to the big leagues."
ANYBODY who knows anything about baseball, and has watched a few hundred games in their life, can clearly see that Jeter is a poor defensive shortstop, who lacked range.
While that statement should be true, the face that Jeter has won five Gold Gloves at shortstop strongly suggests that the people who vote on it (managers and coaches) think he was at least "good" at one point.
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