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I have another theory… There’s a fundamental difference in the way many people watch baseball and football. People watch football as pure spectators. Oh we get into the game. But I know of very few people who watch a football game and think, “Oh, I could see myself out there.” People may gripe when a quarterback takes a bad sack or a receiver drops a ball over the middle or a linebacker misses a tackle. But you don’t often hear them say: “Oh man, I could have done better than that.”
But in baseball, many people are more than spectators. Here in Washington at this Nationals-Braves game, for instance, I just saw Nationals first baseman Adam LaRoche botch an easy ground ball. And the thought popped into my head before I could stop it: I could have made that play. Of course, I couldn’t have made the play – but I will never convince my mind of that.
Heard Glanville say on ESPN that you look at ARod was so much better than anyone else his whole career that it wasn't possible without assistance.
The reason no one cares about steroids in the NBA is much less clear to me. My guess would be that the NBA is run by much more competent leadership that has been successful at burying the problem.
That’s baseball. There’s a closeness to the game that baseball fans feel, a connection to the field, a memory of a diving catch made in Little League, a lingering feeling of a softball home run, a sense that if one or two things had gone right that it might be me out there. The players out there are stand-ins for our own baseball fantasies. We want them to entertain our delusions. That’s not necessarily fair, but that’s the game.
While this is true, there are a couple of factors. First, Pos specifically says that he couldn't have made the play. He knows that intellectually, but there's a connection there.
Barry Bonds said, "Why can't I just be good?"
Is Ray Lewis a big enough name that people would care? That whole "banned deer antler spray" story disappeared awfully fast and I presume will have exactly zero effect on his Hall of Fame chances.
Well since they didn't care when he conspired to cover up a murder, what did you expect?
Mike Webster. Hall of Famer on one of football's dynasty franchises. Connected pretty widely to steroid use. Had serious neurological problems. Died at 50, and with very little money. His story is TRULY sad, and one that should make us think about the implications of drug use in sports.
ARod's decline shows how silly the argument is that Bonds took it to another level in his late 30s because he was already starting from a superstar talent base. ARod, while overrated as a hitter during his career, was certainly a great hitter (147 OPS+ before his decline), and yet all the PEDs in the world didn't improve his performance in his late 30s.
Mike Webster. Hall of Famer on one of football's dynasty franchises. Connected pretty widely to steroid use. Had serious neurological problems. Died at 50, and with very little money. His story is TRULY sad, and one that should make us think about the implications of drug use in sports. But nobody cares about the health and long-term well being of players in the NFL. Especially the NFL.
Then put me on an NBA court and the worst player in the league would score on me on every single play, and I'd commit a turnover any time the guy defending me decided that he wanted the ball. On an NFL field the opposition would run every single play right at me, and I'd be dead or dismembered by the end of the first series.
Now, I wouldn't convert any of these plays at the same rate as Adam LaRoche does, but I'd sure as hell field an easy grounder many more times than not.
Bonds started taking the drugs after watching a 'roided up McGwire break the record; A-Rod has been using his entire professional career.
I don't think people (not necessarily you) quite realize how hard MLB grounders are hit. What is an easy grounder for a MLBer is probably orders of magnitudes more difficult than anything we've ever had to field.
A coworker and I used to have a running argument, where I claimed I could put up a 60% save percentage in the NHL.
a friend said a really huge fat guy could have about that save percentage just by sitting there.
Morbidly obese goalie
Chicago Bulls GM Jerry Krause once shaved a gorilla and put it in a Bill Wennington uniform in order to get more power in the post.
because it doesn't appear as though it takes any particular physical talent to play baseball on the highest level
Well, if they stick you at third or in left field players would probably just start sending hits your way. It wouldn't really matter if they couldn't hit it like a major leaguer. They'd just need to hit it like a college player or minor leaguer. Or if you're really bad like a high schooler to get on base and then once they are on base it is up to you and your arm to stop them from taking extra bases.
The issue isn't the ease of dinking a ball but of getting on base. Teams don't employ extreme shifts like Boudreau implemented the first time around against Ted Williams where he left the entire left side empty.
So yeah, if you're that perhaps routine major league chances would be routine for you but if you're not a young guy that is in shape and has a good amount of baseball experience routine plays in the majors wouldn't really be routine for you.
You honestly believe that a major league ballplayer couldn't loft a ball to some part of left field in the majority of his at bats if that is what he had decided to do ahead of time?
Anyone know the relative difficulty of hitting off a say 90 MPH baseball pitch from 60'6", vs. a 70 MPH softball pitch from 45'?
Not necessarily. The wind-up required to generate the velocity is illegal in the majors. That's why Eddie Feigner wasn't signed by MLB despite throwing 100 MPH.
If you were playing third half the time they'd be bunting you into the ground and the other half of the time they'd be making you duck with line drives coming at you fast.
I don't claim to know what's going on in the crazed Selig's head, but the discipline will not stand
It seems pretty clear, based on MLB's decision to delay the suspension's start until Thursday (when the Yankees will have 49 regular season games left), that ARod got 50 games under the JDA, which is consistent with the suspension that everyone else got for use and possession.
D. Appeal of Discipline Issued Pursuant to Section 7.G.2
1. Any discipline imposed on a player pursuant to 7.G.2 for a first time violation involving a Performance Enhancing Substance or a second time violation involving a Stimulant shall be effective on the third business day after the discipline has issued.
It also seems clear, based on Weiner's statement, that the MLBPA is primarily disputing ARod's discipline under the CBA - I noted that Weiner made absolutely no mention of the JDA in the context of ARod's actions.
Based on all of that, I am confident that MLB will be able to convince the arbitrator that the JDA portion of ARod's suspension should stand. The question will be whether his other actions - of which obstructing MLB's investigation is only one aspect - constitute "just cause" under the CBA for a year-long suspension for conduct detrimental to baseball.
I'm not so sure that the Melky Cabrera phony Web site will be treated by the arbitrator as an equivalent offense. The difference is that Cabrera failed a drug test, so all that MLB had to do was to prove that he'd failed the test; per the JDA it is totally the responsibility of the player to establish that the test failure was due to something other than his own fault or negligence. The phony Web site was totally irrelevant to what MLB needed to do to prove a violation under the JDA. In ARod's case, because there is no failed test, MLB's burden of proof for the violation is higher and ARod's actions in that context can easily be interpreted as truly obstructing MLB's ability to prove a violation - interfering with MLB's ability to procure evidence that MLB must have to justify a suspension, unlike in Melky's case.
So I'm not buying into the argument that ARod's going to escape. I think his best-case scenario is the 50-game ban.
I'm not so sure that the Melky Cabrera phony Web site will be treated by the arbitrator as an equivalent offense. The difference is that Cabrera failed a drug test, so all that MLB had to do was to prove that he'd failed the test; per the JDA it is totally the responsibility of the player to establish that the test failure was due to something other than his own fault or negligence. The phony Web site was totally irrelevant to what MLB needed to do to prove a violation under the JDA.
I'm pretty sure there is no human being alive who would play left field worse than Daniel Murphy.
Melky did it in a fraudulent effort to rebut/defeat that prima facie case, I'd be very surprised if an arbitrator did not ask why such conduct merited NO additional time beyond the base 50 day suspension and AROD's conducts merits 160 extra days. NO the conduct/offenses alleged are not precisely equivalent, but they don't need to be when the penalties are so grossly disparate
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