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Is Buster Posey so lacking as a major league catcher that he could not have taken a crash course in handling the knuckleball? It's not like Dickey is a wild knuckleballer; he has good control and has had very few passed balls or wild pitches this season. A weak decision by LaRussa.
Yes Tony, let's honor the guy who is only going to get better and have several shots at starting All-Star Games, rather than the really unique story and fun-to-watch pitcher who may be getting his last shot an All-Star.
4.ShoeGrit posted on July 09, 2012 at 11:00 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
It's not like he isn't going to pitch in the game. Sure...getting the start is the bigger honor, but fans will still get to see him.
I'm completely fine with this. Cain is the better pitcher, has been for a long time, and will be in the future.
Yes Tony, let's honor the guy who is only going to get better and have several shots at starting All-Star Games, rather than the really unique story and fun-to-watch pitcher who may be getting his last shot an All-Star.
I'm completely fine with this. Cain is the better pitcher, has been for a long time, and will be in the future.
I think you guys are minimizing the impact of the ... da-duh-da SUPER KNUCKLER!!
I hope R.A. doesn't get bummed out about this and sleep in an abandoned house tonight.
10.boteman posted on July 09, 2012 at 11:40 PM #hit 0 | hit 0
Geeeeeeze, it's an exhibition game, it's not like it counts for anything. Relax, would ya?
Dickey has been better so far this season but only by a slight margin. Dickey has the better narrative as well so it would have been nice for him to get the start. I can't disagree with Cain, who has paid some dues and has been underrated for most of his career. This year isn't even his best year.
Cain has been an AS before and has that amazing 2010 postseason to his credit. He's an excellent choice.
Who remembers who starts an All-Star game, unless he strikes out 6 in a row?
I'm sure the guy who starts it remembers. Not the worst thing in the world to say to your grandkids.
My Mets fan boss was in a real lather over this as if Cain had no argument at all and LaRussa was going out of his way to insult, GRIEVOUSLY insult, the Mets. Met fans are so cute!
20.Lassus posted on July 10, 2012 at 07:09 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
My Mets fan boss was in a real lather over this as if Cain had no argument at all and LaRussa was going out of his way to insult, GRIEVOUSLY insult, the Mets. Met fans are so cute!
I don't think it's insulting, but I think it makes Posey and LaRussa look worse than if Dickey had started the game and Posey had allowed 3 or 4 passed balls. I would have thought Posery would be pretty pissed at the stories of his general incompetence at catching a knuckler causing this.
Maybe if Keith hadn't done so much coke this wouldn't have happened.
With the 12-1 record, seems like Dickey would have been the normal pick.
Then again, the knuckleball isn't something that just any catcher can handle.
Then again again, that would make a lot more sense as a deciding factor if, say, Thole (or someone else with knuckleball experience) was on the AS roster and could be paired with Dickey.
Then again again again, Dickey whining about it makes me less sympathetic.
22.Lassus posted on July 10, 2012 at 07:26 AM #hit 0 | hit 0
Then again again again, Dickey whining about it makes me less sympathetic.
Oh, he did? Yes, it does, I agree. Now everyone looks bad.
Maybe if Keith hadn't done so much coke this wouldn't have happened.
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I also want to register my OUTRAGE over Dickey not starting. I was already planning to not watch the game, because it's boring as hell. Then some cyborgs in SF engaging in digital ballot-stuffing and Wright lost to Panda. And then I decided I would still not watch the game, but in addition, I would ##### about it on the internet. Now with this Dickey thing, I'm going to ##### more and louder and still not watch the game.
If I were planning to watch the game, Dickey's the player I'd be most excited about seeing. And maybe I'd watch Harper's AB, just to see if some old-skooler drills that punk in the noggin, to teach him a lesson.
I thought the whole point of the game was to give fans something to whine over.
I don't recall as a kid getting worked up about who made the team even though it was my favorite game of the year. Most of the big stars were there even if not all of them were. The only real controversy I remember was Davey Lopes in, I think, 1981, and when the A's stuffed the ballot box and got Terry Steinbach elected (though he ended up hitting a HR off Gooden and winning the MVP award). ESPN and the internet have obviously increased our capacity to whine by orders of magnitude.
I don't recall as a kid getting worked up about who made the team even though it was my favorite game of the year. Most of the big stars were there even if not all of them were.
I remember in the late 80s my dad going apeshit over Paul Molitor getting elected at 2B even though he was essentially a DH at that point. He wanted Lou Whitaker or Frank White starting.
I'm guessing you don't recall getting worked up because kids are pretty easy-going while adults get worked up.
I'm guessing you don't recall getting worked up because kids are pretty easy-going while adults get worked up.
Oh, I think they just get worked up about different things. Everytime I go to a park in Manhattan it seems like half the little kids are having some kind of psychopathic seizure.
If by "the game" you mean "baseball, period," then you are correct.
Whitey Herzog basically made this same argument in his book and is why he's against the DH. His point was that second-guessing the manager is part of the fun for a lot of people and the DH takes away in-game manager moves for people to ##### about. I think it's actually a good point.
I'm a Mets fan, but I'm not upset about this. Dickey had a chance to make this a no-brainer over the last couple of weeks, but he didn't pitch that well in two of his last three starts (4.29 ERA) and left TLR an opening to pick someone else. Cain is a great pitcher and a perfectly acceptable choice.
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1. Walt Davis posted on July 09, 2012 at 10:35 PM # hit 0 | hit 0I'm completely fine with this. Cain is the better pitcher, has been for a long time, and will be in the future.
Just let the whole ####### team start the ASG.
I think you guys are minimizing the impact of the ... da-duh-da SUPER KNUCKLER!!
I hope R.A. doesn't get bummed out about this and sleep in an abandoned house tonight.
If the Mets can even win a pennant, their Manager can select whoever he wants to start the next ASG.
Who remembers who starts an All-Star game, unless he strikes out 6 in a row?
Cain has been an AS before and has that amazing 2010 postseason to his credit. He's an excellent choice.
Who remembers who starts an All-Star game, unless he strikes out 6 in a row?
I'm sure the guy who starts it remembers. Not the worst thing in the world to say to your grandkids.
I don't remember when actual good pitchers do it, though.
Or a fellow drunk.
Or a steroids freak.
How quickly we forget the much-anticipated Kenny Rogers-Brad Penny duel.
If RA Dickey was ten dogs, Tommy Lasorda would ask him for advice.
Better yet, let's scrap the whole thing. The incessant whining by fans of every team over SOMETHING isn't worth the bore of the ####### game.
I don't think it's insulting, but I think it makes Posey and LaRussa look worse than if Dickey had started the game and Posey had allowed 3 or 4 passed balls. I would have thought Posery would be pretty pissed at the stories of his general incompetence at catching a knuckler causing this.
Maybe if Keith hadn't done so much coke this wouldn't have happened.
Then again, the knuckleball isn't something that just any catcher can handle.
Then again again, that would make a lot more sense as a deciding factor if, say, Thole (or someone else with knuckleball experience) was on the AS roster and could be paired with Dickey.
Then again again again, Dickey whining about it makes me less sympathetic.
Oh, he did? Yes, it does, I agree. Now everyone looks bad.
I endorse this message.
I also want to register my OUTRAGE over Dickey not starting. I was already planning to not watch the game, because it's boring as hell. Then some cyborgs in SF engaging in digital ballot-stuffing and Wright lost to Panda. And then I decided I would still not watch the game, but in addition, I would ##### about it on the internet. Now with this Dickey thing, I'm going to ##### more and louder and still not watch the game.
If I were planning to watch the game, Dickey's the player I'd be most excited about seeing. And maybe I'd watch Harper's AB, just to see if some old-skooler drills that punk in the noggin, to teach him a lesson.
I'm fairly sure Jerry Sandusky has the all of the "worst thing to say" awards wrapped up for awhile.
I thought the whole point of the game was to give fans something to whine over.
I don't recall as a kid getting worked up about who made the team even though it was my favorite game of the year. Most of the big stars were there even if not all of them were. The only real controversy I remember was Davey Lopes in, I think, 1981, and when the A's stuffed the ballot box and got Terry Steinbach elected (though he ended up hitting a HR off Gooden and winning the MVP award). ESPN and the internet have obviously increased our capacity to whine by orders of magnitude.
I remember in the late 80s my dad going apeshit over Paul Molitor getting elected at 2B even though he was essentially a DH at that point. He wanted Lou Whitaker or Frank White starting.
I'm guessing you don't recall getting worked up because kids are pretty easy-going while adults get worked up.
If by "the game" you mean "baseball, period," then you are correct.
Oh, I think they just get worked up about different things. Everytime I go to a park in Manhattan it seems like half the little kids are having some kind of psychopathic seizure.
If by "the game" you mean "baseball, period," then you are correct.
Whitey Herzog basically made this same argument in his book and is why he's against the DH. His point was that second-guessing the manager is part of the fun for a lot of people and the DH takes away in-game manager moves for people to ##### about. I think it's actually a good point.
I'm a Mets fan, but I'm not upset about this. Dickey had a chance to make this a no-brainer over the last couple of weeks, but he didn't pitch that well in two of his last three starts (4.29 ERA) and left TLR an opening to pick someone else. Cain is a great pitcher and a perfectly acceptable choice.
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