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OK, I re-read the thread, and at least one of you has forwarded the idea that Lyons was saying that Piniella was a wallet stealer, not hispanics. But how did Lyons come to that conclusion?
The question I would ask of you all is, in the context of the broadcast, why would Lyons say that he did not want to sit next to Piniella?
If it's too much for you to answer, then why do you?
I understand what you are saying, Yeaarrgghhhh. My own feeling is that what matters most is the speaker's intent. If Chris Rock uses a word like "######" in his routine, he is given the benefit of the doubt because, as a black person, it is assumed that his intent is not to advance anti-black racism. That makes complete sense. As well, if a non-black comedian (or other commentator) used the same word, his intent ought to be questioned. But if, upon quesitoning (or putting the comments in context), it is clear that the non-black person did not mean to demean black people, then he too should be given the benefit of the doubt.
I don't understand how something which is completely innocuous can be a racist stereotype.
Furthermore, I can't understand the fixation on intent. I imagine it comes from the scary possibility that oneself might be put in the position of having hurt someone else out of ignorance.
Really? I imagine it comes from a centuries old legal tradition that we don't punish people for crimes that they didn't intend to commit. That's been modified to a certain extent with criminal consequences for extreme cases of negligence and what not but that's still the starting point.
Yes, but that doesn't really answer the specific question, unless the problem with the "watermelon" stereotype is that interested members of the group are being diverted away from apples and kumquats.
But whereas everyone I grew up w/would immediately speculate as to ethnic background ("Oh, a Flynn" "Oh, Southern Italian, right?"), the Southerners I met were astounded that we could figure this stuff out AND that we cared to.
But Pinella? Never. I'm not surprised Lyons didn't know (assuming that's the truth, which I think it is), mor am I surprised that he never asked. Frankly, I'd find questions about someone's ethnic background kind of personal, like asking someone what their religion is. Not something I'd do upon first meeting someone.
Frankly, I'd find questions about someone's ethnic background kind of personal, like asking someone what their religion is. Not something I'd do upon first meeting someone.
Ali Baba wasn't a thief. Anyway, don't forget the Barbary Pirates, whom we actually went to war with.
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