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    151. Gold Star - just Gold Star posted on January 07, 2013 at 10:09 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Attended Griz-Suns last night. Me and a few dozen others. (Official attendance: 13,197.)

    Good gravy, the Suns' offense is terrible. ONE fast-break point. And when your leading scorer is P.J. Tucker (17 pts), something is badly awry.
    152. NJ in NY posted on January 07, 2013 at 11:46 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    153. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle posted on January 07, 2013 at 11:54 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Chris Mullen had a funny looking haircut.
    154. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 11:58 AM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    with all of the lakers trade talk, and with the sixers sucking, how does this one sound to everybody? the sixers are really giving up a lot (too much?), but i think they're getting pretty solid value back.

    I'm shocked that trade is legal. I mean, best interests of the game and all, but it's amazing the salaries work out. Con I think you didn't consider, steagles: you're giving up 2 centers and only getting 1 back.

    asik's rebounding % isn't that different than what he posted last year (less orb, more drb, bit more total reb)

    What's impressed me most about Asik this year is his conditioning. It's amazing he's playing that many minutes, in that up tempo system. He was limited on the Bulls mostly because of Noah, but he also usually looked totally gassed every time he came out and didn't look like he could play another minute.
    155. tshipman  posted on January 07, 2013 at 12:17 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Save Gasol.


    Gasol bears some responsibility for his absolutely drag-ass play. Not to rag on you, NJ, but there's this weird idea that Gasol is some kind of hostage. He's just slow and looks old right now. He is absolutely one of the biggest problems for the Lakers. They thought going in to the season that he'd be a positive for them, but he's been their worst starter.

    I'd absolutely dump him for nothing to get out from under his contract.
    156. Bitter Mouse is a genre addict posted on January 07, 2013 at 12:18 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    OK I admit it, the Wolves are really and truly cursed. Even when they build a team the right way ... sigh. Time to start cruising the NBA Draft 2013 sites.
    157. Manny Coon posted on January 07, 2013 at 12:20 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Looking at the by position splits as 82games, it looks like Pau Gasol has a PER of over 27 at center this year, but only 13 at PF. He's always been better at center (they won both their championships with Bynum injured and Gasol playing mostly at center next to Odom), but playing next to Howard seems to be a particularly bad fit for him.

    This might not be as big a deal if Howard was actually playing like a superstar, but he's been playing worse than Gasol or Bynum have at center the last several years, while at the same time forcing Gasol into a sub-optimal role. Of course if you listen to Howard complain to the press, everything is Kobe's fault. The Laker's organization is in a tough spot though, because if they try to change their approach to Howard or the role he plays, he likely pouts and leaves once his contract is up, leaving them with nothing to build their team around longer term.
    158. andrewberg posted on January 07, 2013 at 12:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    What's impressed me most about Asik this year is his conditioning. It's amazing he's playing that many minutes, in that up tempo system. He was limited on the Bulls mostly because of Noah, but he also usually looked totally gassed every time he came out and didn't look like he could play another minute.


    It is possible that he was just killing himself knowing that he was only getting a certain number of minutes in Chicago. His block numbers are way down this year (2.8% after 5.0 and 4.3 the last two years) and while some of that is due to increased focus on the DREB, it is also possible that he is patrolling the whole interior and re-jumping less, partially due to the defensive system and partially due to his own pacing.

    OK I admit it, the Wolves are really and truly cursed. Even when they build a team the right way ... sigh. Time to start cruising the NBA Draft 2013 sites.


    It hurts to even think about the Wolves right now. The worst part is that the fans are turning against Love. These are probably the same people who were blaming Joe Mauer for getting paid too much. What is wrong with people who stay in Minnesota?
    159. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 12:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'd absolutely dump him for nothing to get out from under his contract.

    Thoughts on the proposal in 117?

    It is possible that he was just killing himself knowing that he was only getting a certain number of minutes in Chicago. His block numbers are way down this year (2.8% after 5.0 and 4.3 the last two years) and while some of that is due to increased focus on the DREB, it is also possible that he is patrolling the whole interior and re-jumping less, partially due to the defensive system and partially due to his own pacing.

    I'm sure that's part of it.
    160. Der_K posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:05 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    His block numbers are way down this year (2.8% after 5.0 and 4.3 the last two years) and while some of that is due to increased focus on the DREB, it is also possible that he is patrolling the whole interior and re-jumping less, partially due to the defensive system and partially due to his own pacing.

    Agreed.

    You know, I like him and all, but Sullinger isn't playing that well in Boston. He's avoiding mistakes (aside from a high foul rate and shooting too many jumpers), but not really making things happen and he's having significant problems on defense. You could credibly argue that Green, for one, has outperformed him.
    161. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:12 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Re: Gasol - he's shooting 27% (!) from 3 to 9 feet out this year, plus 30% from 10-15 feet (He was at 43 and 41%, respectively, last year). He's also taking more shots from 16-23 feet (30% this year vs. 24% last). Now, I know that doesn't give us all the context (for instance, how much of that is because of Howard, or plantar fascitis, or whatever?), and it's not even the midway point of the season - but yikes.

    Re: [117]/STEAGLES trade proposal - can't believe how many of you jumped on that bait. Nice work, STEAGS.
    162. Jimmy P posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:16 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Thoughts on the proposal in 117?


    Jeff Green may be one of the hardest guys in the league to trade right now
    163. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:19 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    You know, I like him and all, but Sullinger isn't playing that well in Boston. He's avoiding mistakes (aside from a high foul rate and shooting too many jumpers), but not really making things happen and he's having significant problems on defense. You could credibly argue that Green, for one, has outperformed him.


    I generally agree - but he has done one thing you overlook here - he's a very good offensive rebounder. He's top 20 in the NBA in OReb%, and by far the best on the Celtics (admittedly a low bar). Yeah, he gets his shot blocked at the rim a lot, and he's still a work in progress on D, but he's well on his way to being a useful rotation guy on a good team and I expect him to improve his D and shot selection in the 2nd half as he becomes more comfortable.

    164. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:20 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Joe, I don't think anyone took it seriously, come on. We've all seen him post before.

    evan turner ?@thekidet
    Bynum just had the nerves to criticize RGIII's choice of hairstyle in his post game media last night. Lol @jrue_holiday and I are amazed


    Ha!
    165. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:23 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    By the way, Moses - I got the comment # wrong in my post [161] - meant to be [128] - wasn't referring to your post 117. As for being "fooled" [133] and [144] had me wondering, though maybe I'm the one misreading this time. :-)
    166. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:24 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Jeff Green may be one of the hardest guys in the league to trade right now


    Talk about a lose/lose trade.
    167. andrewberg posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:29 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Re: Gasol - he's shooting 27% (!) from 3 to 9 feet out this year, plus 30% from 10-15 feet (He was at 43 and 41%, respectively, last year). He's also taking more shots from 16-23 feet (30% this year vs. 24% last). Now, I know that doesn't give us all the context (for instance, how much of that is because of Howard, or plantar fascitis, or whatever?), and it's not even the midway point of the season - but yikes.


    If the question is whether he is slumping or declining, ISTM that midrange jumpers would not be the first thing to go.
    168. Bitter Mouse is a genre addict posted on January 07, 2013 at 01:43 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    It hurts to even think about the Wolves right now. The worst part is that the fans are turning against Love. These are probably the same people who were blaming Joe Mauer for getting paid too much. What is wrong with people who stay in Minnesota?


    I got nothing. It is odd. Maybe you can blame talk radio (which for some reason has decided the unholy trinity are Joe Mauer, kevin Love, and Percy Harvin - because blaming great players is how all franchises excel), but talk radio is odious everywhere.

    The Gophers BBall team is pretty darn good, so we have that.
    169. smileyy posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    You know, I like him and all, but Sullinger isn't playing that well in Boston. He's avoiding mistakes (aside from a high foul rate and shooting too many jumpers), but not really making things happen


    You have to get rid of these guys before they become fan favorites for "playing hard" and "playing the right way", etc.
    170. Booey posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:09 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Chris Mullen had a funny looking haircut.


    Chris Mullin was just a funny looking guy, period.
    171. Booey posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:24 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    As for being "fooled" [133] and [144] had me wondering, though maybe I'm the one misreading this time. :-)


    I didn't think it was a serious trade suggestion. I still thought it was interesting to post the projected results though just to show how completely one sided it was. Like Moses said, mainly I was just surprised that a trade proposal that two of the three teams would laugh hysterically at actually worked.
    172. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:25 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    The Gophers BBall team is pretty darn good, so we have that.

    Haven't seen them play yet. But they sound like a matchup nightmare for the Illini (due to their size). Big game Wed night in Champaign, I guess.
    173. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:27 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    During Rose's rehab, KC Johnson has consistently played the role of wet blanket* during the Rose rehab process. So to see him write this today is notable, IMO:

    Specific information regarding Derrick Rose’s rehabilitation from left knee surgery has been scarce.

    But from the smiles emanating from Rose and management lately, it’s clear the franchise centerpiece remains on target to return at some point in the coming weeks.


    snip

    The only specific timeline given came shortly after the May 12 surgery, when team physician Brian Cole said Rose would return in eight to 12 months. Saturday marks eight months.


    *He also plays this role when it comes to FA and other contract decisions. Almost like the guy the org uses to gets everyone's hopes down. This is not a criticism, btw, just how I read him.
    174. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:51 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I didn't think it was a serious trade suggestion. I still thought it was interesting to post the projected results though just to show how completely one sided it was. Like Moses said, mainly I was just surprised that a trade proposal that two of the three teams would laugh hysterically at actually worked.
    I'm shocked that trade is legal. I mean, best interests of the game and all, but it's amazing the salaries work out. Con I think you didn't consider, steagles: you're giving up 2 centers and only getting 1 back.
    good points.

    do you think this one is any better?
    175. smileyy posted on January 07, 2013 at 02:54 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm impressed by a net -22 win trade.
    176. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:06 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I'm impressed by a net -22 win trade.
    if that's the standard, how about this one?

    MIA: -14 wins
    OKC: -24
    LAL: -8
    PHI: +3
    177. andrewberg posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:15 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    STEAGLES, here's another good one for you: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a45ub6h

    And here's a -25 win trade for Miami: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgbckfu
    178. andrewberg posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bl26bvy

    The trade machine is broken if it things Sacramento gains only 3 wins by trading Salmons and Garcia for Westbrook.
    179. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:22 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    STEAGLES, here's another good one for you: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a45ub6h
    that one's just not realistic at all. at least the trades i've proposed have logically made sense for all teams involved.
    180. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:27 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    From the NY Daily News:

    People who have seen Derrick Rose work out insist he's almost ready to start playing. The Bulls still aren't saying when the 2011 MVP will be activated for game duty. And like everything else out in Chicago, the front office and coaching staff can't agree on when he'll take the court.
    181. madvillain posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:31 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    *He also plays this role when it comes to FA and other contract decisions. Almost like the guy the org uses to gets everyone's hopes down. This is not a criticism, btw, just how I read him.


    It's unfortunate that most of what KC writes is taken as the bible by many self-loathing Bulls fans. The guy is a Bull's management stooge and why anyone would trust anything GarPax tell them is beyond me.

    Rose will come back after 9 or so months. Why this is such a debate is beyond me. It's the recovery table and Rose is on the table.

    People who have seen Derrick Rose work out insist he's almost ready to start playing. The Bulls still aren't saying when the 2011 MVP will be activated for game duty. And like everything else out in Chicago, the front office and coaching staff can't agree on when he'll take the court.


    Who is "management" in this quote? Likely an anonymous mid-level staffer. I would be shocked if GarPax and the coach they just signed to an extenstion aren't on the same page about the franchise player. Thibs is a bit of a nutter, but he's not Shanahan level nutter.

    I ####### hope not.
    182. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:46 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    It's unfortunate that most of what KC writes is taken as the bible by many self-loathing Bulls fans. The guy is a Bull's management stooge and why anyone would trust anything GarPax tell them is beyond me.

    Slow your roll. The reason I posted it because he's the mainstream writer face of the Bulls. If he's saying it, then it's what management is saying. So I'm saying this is what GarPax thinks, and that's news because they've said *nothing* of note until this.

    Rose will come back after 9 or so months. Why this is such a debate is beyond me. It's the recovery table and Rose is on the table.

    It's a debate because no one has said anything. You may be right, but you have no way of knowing that.

    I would be shocked if GarPax and the coach they just signed to an extenstion aren't on the same page about the franchise player. Thibs is a bit of a nutter, but he's not Shanahan level nutter.

    I would hope so too, but it took them how long to sign him again? There's no reason to think they're of the same mind here; ####, I bet they're going to have to be on Thibs hard if Rose has a minutes limit. As for the last point, did you miss the discussion on Rose's constant injuries last season and him rushing back every time? Not to say Thibs was wrong, but he also was criticized for Rose's ACL injury (I disagree with that, btw, but it at least came from something). Also, this happened. I know you tuned out after Rose's injury, but this also happened last season (and he didn't play for *months* afterwards). So yeah, quite frankly, I do worry about how Thibs will treat him when he comes back. (Not to mention all the minutes Deng and Noah have been playing that I've been posting about non-stop.)
    183. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 03:46 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    And welcome back, btw.
    184. GregD posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:19 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    MIA: -14 wins
    OKC: -24
    LAL: -8
    PHI: +3
    Why don't the win numbers add up to zero?
    185. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim  posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:23 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    so what's wrong with the Lakers now? Nash is back, Howard.. if he isn't healthy then the stats certainly aren't showing much (seeing that he had a wooping 26 rebound today). Kobe is still largely Kobe, and I really don't get what's all the fuss with Gasol. Artest...errr Worldpeace is a flawed player but as a role player in this sort of rotation he seems fine... so what's up? is it the second team getting beat too badly?
    It's just not working. They don't have the players to run the plan, and now guys are getting frustrated. It's hard to see Howard wanting to re-up in LA. They're not winning this year, they possibly won't even make the playoffs this year.

    It's time to start shopping Dwight Howard. Yep.
    186. smileyy posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:25 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Positional overlap has to drive some of that.
    187. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:35 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    It's time to start shopping Dwight Howard. Yep.

    Ken Berger ?@KBergCBS
    MRI reveals that Dwight Howard has a torn labrum in his right shoulder and is out indefinitely, Lakers announce.
    188. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Ken Berger ?@KBergCBS
    Also, Paul Gasol has a concussion and also is out indefinitely, the Lakers say.
    189. Tom Cervo, backup catcher posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:37 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    And Gasol has a concussion. This is getting to Red Sox 2011 levels of schadenfreude for me.
    190. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:39 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Pau is also out indefinitely with a concussion, according to Marc Stein.
    191. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:41 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Not that any of us were excited about getting that news out there or anything.
    192. Tom Cervo, backup catcher posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:43 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Ken Berger ?@KBergCBS
    Jordan Hill will have his injured right hip examined by Lakers doctor Steve Lombardo later today. Apparently, there was an long wait.


    Expecting to read that Steve Nash needs a limb amputated.
    193. robinred  posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:45 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Have fun with this, boys.
    194. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:50 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Ken Berger ?@KBergCBS
    Jordan Hill will have his injured right hip examined by Lakers doctor Steve Lombardo later today. Apparently, there was an long wait.

    Expecting to read that Steve Nash needs a limb amputated.


    Kobe - head transplant, DTD. No games missed.
    195. NJ in NY posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:50 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    RT @netw3rk Praying for the LA area kids losing their innocence as their parents are forced to explain "missing the playoffs" to them.
    196. Famous Original Joe C posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:51 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Have fun with this, boys.


    I can high five elsewhere than here.

    Kobe winning the scoring title suddenly looks like a thing, though.
    197. NJ in NY posted on January 07, 2013 at 04:52 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I was honestly hoping for a LAL-MIA Finals matchup and this about ends any thoughts of that.
    198. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 05:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Gotta love Kobe.

    I was honestly hoping for a LAL-MIA Finals matchup and this about ends any thoughts of that.

    Until they're actually eliminated from the playoffs, I will not write off this Lakers roster.
    199. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock posted on January 07, 2013 at 05:35 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Ken Berger ?@KBergCBS
    Rajon Rondo has been suspended one game for making contact with a game official and failing to cooperate with a league investigation.


    What, is this the 3rd time Rondo has been suspended for that (one was the ball, right)? How does that still only warrant 1 game (or less, if you consider the other part too)?
    200. Fourth True Outcome posted on January 07, 2013 at 05:48 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Is this for him lightly bumping an official he was walking upcourt next to after a call he didn't like the other night? If this is from the play I thought, it seems likely that it's a suspension only because it's Rondo.

    Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the suspension, given the rules and his past. Just that I suspect another player without such a past/rep might have gotten some leeway in the situation.

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