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There are no such players. Expansion put pressure on the organizations to find more players, leading to larger minors, much more aggressive international scouting. Without expansion the quality would be exactly what it is now, or less. .. probably less, because whatever does not grow tends to die.
Bill, regarding platoon differentials: is it true, as my intuition tells me, that lefty pitchers do better against lefty hitters than righty pitchers do against rightyhitters? If so, do you have a theory as to why?
It is more untrue than true. There is SOME such effect, which I think is not genuinely difficult to understand, but in general, the effect is more the same than it is different.
Without expansion the quality would be exactly what it is now, or less. .. probably less, because whatever does not grow tends to die.
at some point you realize that the people who have been educating you so far are running on empty
I would think that lefty-lefty would stand out more because left-handed hitters don't see nearly as many left-handed pitchers as the opposite right-handed do
That answer he gave was a non-sensical answer to a really stupid question.
I thought it was a stupid answer to a non-sensical question.
I don't think that's quite right. MLB began integration - expanding the talent pool - 14 years before they expanded the number of teams. I think the minors were larger (at least per team) in the 50's than today, but I'd have to check.
The talent pool in the 50's and 60's was decimated by the depression (birth rates) in the 30's and the wars (WWII, Korea, Vietnam deaths, wounded) and conscription in the 50's and 60's. Integration covered some of that, but integration was not fully realized until the late 60's. Expansion in the early 60's stressed this even more. I think the baseball played in the 50's and into the late 60's might had the weakest talent pool of the modern era.
11>> Any idea if there was a similar minor lull in birth rates during the Civil War, which might have affected the number of players entering the big leagues in the 1880s?
Immigration picked up a lot after 1870, so it's unclear whether recent immigrants would have been able to play and whether they should be counted in the population.
This makes no sense at all. League quality would be much, much better in a 16-team MLB.
Every immigrant should have to prove that they can either hit a breaking ball or throw one for strikes before receiving their green card. It's a sensible immigration policy that I think we can all agree on.
whatever does not grow tends to die.
when Ty Cobb reached Detroit in 1906, there were probably not a dozen MLB players from the South, and there may not have been a dozen in the entire history of MLB to that point.
Civil War historians usually place Tennessee among the border states...
But, as far as I know, that's all we have in any systematic sense.
Civil War historians usually place Tennessee among the border states,
Nothing to do with this conversation, but it's just something I like people to know: when Southern congressmen put out the segregationist "Southern Manifesto" in the mid-1950s, 7 of 11 Tennesseans did not sign, including the fathers of Howard Baker and Al Gore.
I haven't had an American History class since the 1960s. When I was in high school, the border states were listed as Missouri, Tennessee, Maryland, and Delaware. Apparently, this has changed, or my HS teacher had it wrong.
Greg - Thanks! I don't have this kind of info because I went to Vanderbilt, which is in Tennessee. Vandy is (and was) the "brains school" of the SEC at the time - Vandy and Tulane, although Vandy was the stronger school at the time. Even so, the student base was very southern, because if you were smart and from the south, Vandy was calling you. Vandy's administration was, at the time, trying to integrate the SEC, which they did with basketball player Perry Wallace. But the students didn't always keep up. One incident that I remember real well: When Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered, the news got to Vandy's radio station. Apparently, the people there weren't sure who should do this breaking news, because none of them were certain that they had the right attitude to make this sound as horrible as it was. I had never had anything to do with the radio station - didn't even know where the studio was - but they called me to do the news that night. I was active in the theater, and apparently one of the theater guys said that he knew a guy with a good voice and also the right attitude to take this VERY seriously. I seem to have done a good job; no one said a word for 2 minutes after I stopped. But the main point is that the radio and theater guys, who fancied themselves the independent thinkers, were aware that they might be a bit too southern in attitude to do that broadcast. I had long since learned not to talk too much about civil rights or politics in general, because the other students had troubles swallowing my politics whole. This was in 1968; I have no idea what it was like in 1900. But I did get into the mental habit of not asking about things like northern migration from the south in the 1800s. So your info is a real help to me.
#53 As noted there were large parts of the state that were pro-union. Now the term "border state" means something to most people and Tennessee doesn't qualify, but it doesn't strike me as nuts to use it WRT to Tennessee.
I always love your Vandy stories.
Historians of the Civil War always class Tennessee as Confederate. It had a sizable loyalist population, but so did northern Alabama.
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