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The Atlanta metro has massive issues with sprawl, congestion and lack of transportation infrastructure. This build out isn't really part of that problem, excepting what additional congestions the intersection of I285 and I75, where it is going to be located, will get on game days. The site itself is about 10 miles from dead center downtown Atlanta. That's about the distance from the World Trade Center to the Bronx Zoo.
Rendering is a process that converts waste animal tissue into stable, value-added materials.
And if Atlanta had the population of New York, your analogy would hold. But it doesn't, and it doesn't.
For those who want to stay more than a day, the community will offer more than 500 residences
The Atlanta metro has massive issues with sprawl, congestion and lack of transportation infrastructure.
From the pictures, it doesn't look like anything particularly special. I fear that the stupid reaction of the unimaginative media and populace to the Marlins' new facility will make new stadium development boring and conservative for a while.
This may be a stupid question, but why would anyone ever want to LIVE that close to a stadium? 80 days a year having 40,000 random strangers, many of them inebriated and half the time angry, milling around does not sound like a fun living environment to me.
Which is why it's kind of a pity that they're spending so much money to build an unnecessary stadium, rather than on attempts to address those issues.
One thing I find interesting is that two of the first three images in the link are of the build-up around the stadium and not the stadium itself.
Where's the parking?
One thing I find interesting is that two of the first three images in the link are of the build-up around the stadium and not the stadium itself. From what I understand, the failure to develop anything of consequence around Turner Field was a huge concern for the Braves, and clearly they're banking on dramatically changing that in Cobb.
Am I missing something, or is that a south-facing park? The freeway in the background is running roughly NW/SE, so the park looks to be oriented with the batter facing close to dead south.
Thus extending the mallpark outside the four walls of the structure in which baseball is played.
Air conditioning in an outdoor stadium in Atlanta.
More suburban sprawl.
So are we to take it that Atlantans will be paying for the absurdly wasteful, earth-warming, Antarctica and Greenland ice-melting carbon emissions this selfish product will generate? How exactly will they do that?
You mean this melting Antarctic ice?
Criticize the traffic on the top end. Criticize the failure of Cobb to engage in mass transit for old racist reasons. Criticize the good old boy network that leeched funding out of Cobb(*) tax coffers to build a new stadium that isn't necessary. But don't say its out in the sprawl. It's not, and if you think it is, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
The development is for an entire live and play community, on the model of Atlantic Station.
Atlantic Station sucks.
How is this not contributing to urban sprawl? If one defines urban sprawl as "the expansion of human populations away from central urban areas into previously remote and rural areas, particularly resulting in low-density communities reliant upon heavy automobile usage" (A Wikipedia definition, seems reasonable), then how is this not feeding sprawl?
With the exception of the people who rent units in the development itself, everybody else is going to have get in their car to attend a ballgame.
When I go to a game at Fenway Park (I live in coastal New Hampshire), I drive a little under an hour to a big parking garage pretty far away from downtown Boston, and then I take the "T" (the subway) into the city for 15-20 minutes, and walk the last 10 minutes to Fenway.
The 10 miles that separate City of Atlanta from Marietta is no more "sprawl" than the 10 miles that separate Brooklyn from the Bronx is "sprawl."
I see two obvious distinctions between the Downtown/New Stadium and WTC/Bronx Zoo situations. First, between the two New York locations you have ten miles containing millions of people in densely packed urban blocks. Between the two Atlanta locations, you have about three miles of (somewhat) densely packed urban blocks followed by seven miles of suburban density (meaning big parking lots, subdivisions with big houses on big lots, etc.) Second, travelling between the two New York locations means riding one of the world's biggest subway systems, or taking a cab or an Uber on one of a few different N-S driving options, while travelling between the two Atlanta locations means taking your personal car up I-75, period.
As a long-time Atlanta resident, I do agree that the Cobb County taxpayers footing the bill for the stadium is pretty nice. My hurt feelings at having baseball abandon the city are about 90% offset by amusement at the anti-tax, anti-government Cobb County folks getting soaked for nearly $400 million by Liberty Media.
The AAA stadium in Gwinnett contributes to the sprawl.
Of course Target Field was built into an existing downtown area and is the transit hub for the Twin Cities. This place is bragging about all of the parking spaces.
The Braves' new stadium will do nothing to change the status quo for the better or worse.
No, he means the western shelf that is in a massive melt feed back loop. Keep trying, Sport.
OK, I see what you mean and I pretty much agree with you, but as a former resident of perimeter sprawl (Doravile... not far from there and definitely sprawl) i sympathize with the notion the other Scott is putting forth that a better placement of the stadium may have made public transit or cycling to the stadium at least possible and move Atl slightly closer to a more transit friendly urban city. Decatur or Midtown would have been very interesting choices near one of the Marta stations (though i have not clue what the land situation might be like). As it is though, you are right, its not making it much worse (have not been to a braves game in the mid 90's, but I always took Marta....)
isn't most of what the Braves are doing related to their haaaarrrible TV contract?
Yeah, I guess my feeling is that a baseball stadium contributes to sprawl when it is located away from functional mass transit and away from dense concentrations of fans. There really isn't anywhere in Atlanta that provides dense concentrations of fans, so the transit is the only issue in play.
Sam bought up John Elder but isn't most of what the Braves are doing related to their haaaarrrible TV contract? A new park and all its bells and whistles is their best avenue of raising revenues.
The Atlanta Braves’ new stadium and mixed-use development will add more than 20,000 vehicles to the already congested Cumberland Mall area on game days, according to an author of a traffic study for the team.
That map of where season ticket holders lives has a big flaw: it assumes everyone is going to the game from home and not work.
I don't think there's ever been an attempt like this by a baseball franchise to basically *be the developer* for the entire neighborhood.
But 100 years ago... Fenway Realty Group owned a lot of the area land and was looking to develop it. The Red Sox owner also owned a large stake in Fenway Realty Group, and chose not just to build the stadium in that area but to name it Fenway Park, to raise the profile of the area and to improve their prospects at developing the former swampland. I don't think it's been adequately researched how successful they were at this.
Snow and ice slowly moving from one geographic location to another geographic location is a catastrophe... if you're a psychotic red diaper doper baby.
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