Friday, January 18, 2013
FICTITIOUS FRIDAY IS COMING TO MCU PARK
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posted on January 18, 2013 at 04:45 PM by The District Attorney to brooklyn cyclones, college football, football, mets, minor leagues
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Read More...In light of recent events involving All-American linebacker Manti Te’o, the Brooklyn Cyclones have announced that June 21st will be Fictitious Friday at MCU Park…
Anyone who purchases one ticket at regular price will be allowed to bring their make believe significant-other to the ballpark free of charge. Fans will also have the chance to draw a picture of their girlfriend, because obviously something came up and she couldn’t make it, so that their friends can finally see what she looks ...
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What is the functional difference between 4 16 team super conferences and 8 8 team divisions? The SEC East is an 8 team division. The SEC West is an 8 team division. They have a regional final before advancing to the round of 4 (by seeding.)
I'd go with 3 16 team supers; the SEC (add Clemson and FSU), the PAC (cherry pick the top of the WAC and Moutain West) and the BIG (combination of the B1G and the Big 12.) Then have an open conference for everyone else. Winners of the conferences go to the playoffs. Seeds 5-8 can be determined by voting and ranking.
EDIT: apparently Strong is denying it.
I was going to let this go..
The functional difference is it eliminates the bullship we put up with now.
Which division the toughest? Who gives a ####, you either won your way in or you didn't!
If you slide into the tourney because Penn State and OSU are on probation, then we will rank you and seed you, and you get thrown into Alabama testicle removing machine first.
No league is favored, you don't have to sort out the 10 teams with two losses (eyeballing it, I count 10 from the major conferences plus Boise) get the last couple of seeds. A division winner like Georgia can't lose a championship game to the best team in the country and see the team that finished second in their division slide into the tournament instead.
It might be difficult to sell to the traditional powers, because the current system gives them all the benefit of the doubt. I don't see why Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer being great coaches should keep Rutgers or Baylor out of a national tournament. That is what would happen with basically any other system.
I'm a KU fan, so please indulge this one question: If?
Except that Georgia won their division because they played Ole Miss and Auburn instead of Texas A&M and LSU. I don't know why people keep saying that a playoff will eliminate any and all doubts. Playoffs work well in, say, the NFL because you have 12 of 16 games in common with your divisional opponents, and play them twice, and then see 41% (13 of 32) of the entire league. We can say with almost absolute certainty which teams were the most deserving of a playoff spot just by looking at record. In college football, you miss over 90% of the teams you are competing against, and have cases where your primary competitor has a schedule that is half filled with teams you don't see. There is just no way to eliminate the doubt, and especially so if you are just looking at record.
Tim Tebow did a bunch of this overseas, so I'm told...
I didn't explain the Georgia thing well enough, In my eyes, they could go undefeated in their division, 7-0, and the other five games wouldn't matter. If they go 0-5 in their non-division, because they played the Seahawks, 49ers, Cardinals, Rams and Georgia Tech, while Florida played Neosho CC, Dodge City CC, Ft. Scott CC, Cowley CC and Miami of FL going 5-0, Georgia would still win the division.
I wouldn't argue that point in anyway.
What I'm proposing isn't "fair." OU and UT are in the same division, one of those teams is watching every year, even at 11-1. Not Fair.
The two best teams in your division never play each other at home, instead they play at neutral site in Jacksonville or Dallas. Not Fair.
PSU is really good, but the game this year is at the Horseshoe. Not Fair.
A&M beats Bama in Bama, and most people still think Bama is the best team in the country. Nothing could eliminate all doubt.
BUT.. at least this way you earn your way in on the field. It is much better than computer systems with limits on margin of victory, coaches voting on teams they couldn't identify if they were watching them on TV and on and on.
You just can't simply defer to W-L record in a league where teams never see the vast majority of their competitors for years upon years. You have to get subjective, which means you're always going to have to make guesses based upon who looked better, or who won by more, etc.
I'm watching replays of this game right now in heaven.
This shows the anti playoff crowd was right, this thing will blow up into something that will damage the intensity of the regular season. The Game of the Century dies in an 8 team playoff, frankly it would be dead in a 4 team playoff.
This weekend's SEC title game.....meaningless in a 8 team playoff. Frankly, why would UGA want to be there when they could be FLORIDA!!! Just siting around waiting.
The original idea was to have a system that could allow for that occasional 3rd undefeated team a shot. Or when we had no undefeated teams, a 3rd or 4th 1 loss team. There will be no perfect system. The NFL system is deeply flawed, but we accept its flaws. We need to accept the flaws of this system.
As a society we need to be more accepting of the imperfect. Not everything has to conform, we should be more comfortable with differences.
how about, if instead of 2 8 team divisions, the SEC (and big ten and pac-16) split themselves into 4 4-team divisions? each team would play 1 game against each of their divisional opponents (3 total), and then 4 more games each against 1 other division (bringing the number of games to 7), and then for an 8th game, each team plays their counterpart according to the standings (1 v. 1, 2 v. 2, etc.). this would give each team 3 H2H games against their direct competition, 4 games each against common opponents, and then a de facto playoff, where the 4 division winners get cut down to 2 in week 8, and those 2 then meet in the SEC championship game.
that also leaves 4 OOC slots where you could match up against the other super-conferences.
if i were to pick one thing about this year's ohio state game that wasn't fair, the location where the game was played would probably be quite a ways down that list.
Manziel
Lee
Klein
Manziel is one of the easier choices of the past 25 or so years.
That's a heartbreaker of a loss WJ. I was sure you guys had it after you got to 14. Bridgewater was incredible tonight, legendary even considering, his injuries. If Strong stays, Louisville is going to be a monster program in the ACC.
I guess I don't understand how Rutgers, with it's offensive players, continues to be so inconsistent on that side of the ball. Louisville's defense isn't amazing and Rutgers really needed to come up with more than 3 points outside of those two huge pass plays.
And from the Article
This is why I'd like to see it decided on the field. Even when K-State wins the one of the top 3 conferences in the country, they get passed over in an 8 team bracket BY 3 TWO LOSS TEAMS because the Washington State AD doesn't know Baylor is an above .500 team, and the bIg representative "thinks" some other teams would beat them.
Making one tactical error is ot that big of a deal. Putting "F.A.M.I.L.Y." on the jerseys is a fireable offence.
Brett Bielema at home against tOSU two weeks ago, punted from the tOSU 30.. Kirk Ferentz last week at home vs Nebraska (it was the 31 yard line, but there was a 30+ mph wind in his face).
Clearly just getting ready for Big Ten play (see 1470).
Even when K-State wins the one of the top 3 conferences in the country, they get passed over in an 8 team bracket BY 3 TWO LOSS TEAMS because the Washington State AD doesn't know Baylor is an above .500 team, and the bIg representative "thinks" some other teams would beat them.
How is losing to Baylor (Sagarin 23) worse than losing to Washington (Sagarin 34)?
It's not that it's imperfect - it's that it's capricious and rewards teams for weak schedules and lucky wins. Take ND / Stanford / Oregon.
Stanford played 3 OT games, winning 2 of them (beat Oregon, Arizona, lost to ND)
ND played 2 OT games, winning both (Pitt)
Oregon played one (losing to Stanford).
I don't see how their record distinguishes them, they should be in an 8 game playoff.
I suppose this favors Stanford's beef, but increased variance increases the chance of an Upset.
I find muddy sloppy football hilarious, so yay.
All systems do.
You want to see capricious, try distinguishing between the 8th and 9th best teams. I can assure you, the gap between those two spots is, on average, far narrower than between 2 and 3.
Who's in this ideal 8-team playoff. ND, SEC winner, Ore., KSU (provided they beat Texas), Fla. would be obvious choices. Then where do you go? How do you determine between the two-loss teams? SEC loser, USCe, A&M, LSU, Stanford, Oklahoma? And, of course, this possibly shuts out two (3 if you want to count the Big East in that category, which I wouldn't at this point) major conference champions (which, frankly, doesn't strike me as something the conferences would ever agree to). Or rewards teams for not having to play the conference title game.
I've said it before, but the only playoff I could ever support has no chance of happening - the floating one. At the end of the regular season, a system determines which teams belong in a playoff and fix the size of the playoff to meet it. If it's 2005, it's a two-teamer. If it's the madcap 2007 campaign, it's an 8 or 12. In the absence of this kind of solution, I'm preferring the status quo, which at least preserves the best regular season going.
Well, I think he knows they are above .500, it's just that they got drubbed. If K State was in that game at all, they probably stay ahead of two loss teams. And you're still on the one-track 'first organization is by fewest losses'. I agree K State gets screwed in that setup, but that's because people don't understand the strength of the middle of the Big 12 (because they are just looking at number of losses, like you).
I think Oregon beats K State, and Texas A&M could too. That's the whole problem, the uncertainty. We just can't truly know if the #1 team from one conference is actually better than the #2 from another. That's why you can't just start off by eliminating all the #2 teams from consideration.
Exactly. This is why we can't just go "your record is better, so you HAVE to be the better team".
UT fanboys are crying.
It will always be unfair/random at the boundaries. This means that the bigger the "play in pool" the more likely you are to pick the most deserving teams. That is, the penalty for being "wrong" is lower. For example, in an 8 team playoff you would be very unlikely to exclude one of the (real) top 4-6 teams.
As to conferences - as intimated above I think there need to be fewer conferences and fewer teams "eligble". I like 4 and 64 because hey, powers of 2 work well in elimination tournaments/pairings.
I might agree that picking the "top 8" teams in a manner that shuts out 1 (or more!) top 4 conferences probably is a bad idea, since (currently) the conferences don't really play enough OOC games to get a good statistical read on relative strength.
It all depends on how you look at it. You think it's a penalty to exclude the possibly deserving. I think it's equally penal to include the undeniably undeserving.
There is no perfect number. Some years, like 2005, a playoff could only cloud what was already clear (that Texas and USC were the two best teams). In others, like 2007, a playoff can clear up what was murky.
What's undeniable is that each round of playoff you add weakens the import of the regular season, neutering so many of the high-stakes regular season games that no other NA sport provides.
And as a college-football fan first - not an NFL fan who slums on Saturdays - I find the idea of diluting the best regular season distasteful.
Orlando after Christmas could be a fun trip. Not everyone can play in a BCS Bowl. Wasn't that long ago that Rutgers wasn't used in the same sentence as "Bowl".
The bigger the pool, the more random the outcome as well. Alabame might be a 80% favorite against any team in the nation, but make them play three rounds and they have only a 50/50 shot of winning it all.
I hate the spike. Unless you're doing it because you only have time for one play anyway, you're trying to get the field goal unit on the field or the team really needs to huddle, the down is almost always more important than the few extra seconds saved.
The spike... Meh... I mean you got to get plays called. Hundley cant call plays.
Pretty dang good game though. Once stanford figured out the wide reciever screen nonsense the gig was up. Nice season for Mora.
Sure looks like he is comparing Baylor to Pitt.
Sure, it was a whooping, but it's still only one loss. Bumping two loss teams ahead of them is pretty inexcusable IMO, regardless of the eyeball test.
KSU problem is that they don't have enough TV's in their state, and they were lousy for 90 years.
And on the broadcast they are mentioning a backyard brawl rematch in the Pin Stripe Bowl.
Hurricane Isaac.
Yeah, they are horrible. It is fun to watch them roll on an overmatched opponent, finally. I'm just enjoying the last regular season game with Austin. He's been appropriately nasty again today.
Keep in mind Harris Poll voters, this Kansas team almost beat Northern Illinois.
I think the pinstripe people would love that matchup. Pitt still needs one win though.
That would be an awful pull for WV, hopefully the Holiday Bowl picks em up before they fall to the Pinstripe. Playing one of the Pac-12 also rans would be a far more meaningful game than a nothing to win game against a down rival who broke up the Big East.
So I guess I'm a USF fan today.
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