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FICTITIOUS FRIDAY IS COMING TO MCU PARK

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posted on January 18, 2013 at 04:45 PM by The District Attorney to brooklyn cyclones, college football, football, mets, minor leagues | 23 comment(s)

In light of recent events involving All-American linebacker Manti Te’o, the Brooklyn Cyclones have announced that June 21st will be Fictitious Friday at MCU Park…

Anyone who purchases one ticket at regular price will be allowed to bring their make believe significant-other to the ballpark free of charge. Fans will also have the chance to draw a picture of their girlfriend, because obviously something came up and she couldn’t make it, so that their friends can finally see what she looks ...

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1951. Spivey posted on December 08, 2012 at 02:25 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I love the 1-AA playoffs.

1952. Spivey posted on December 08, 2012 at 02:31 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I also don't understand why more FBS schools don't look at 1-AA coaches when filling roles. I'd much rather have my team get the best 1-AA coach on the market than a guy like Tommy Tuberville or Butch Jones.

1953. Cowboy Popup posted on December 08, 2012 at 02:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'm not sure that TT is going to be such a hard place to get another coach. If you're a spread coach, that's gotta be an attractive job. I could also see them hiring within - they had a good defense this year and their offense keeps doing what they're doing. They seem to have found success because of their system, and if I were a TT fan I wouldn't want them drastically changing their approach.

Tuberville was also a really good recruiter. The last two years he got the (Rivals) 26th and 20th best classes as opposed to the classes in the 30s and 40s that Leach brought in. There is still some talent there but it's going to be hard to get someone who can both coach guys up and bring talent to Lubbock. I think it will be especially hard this late in the coaching search.

Edit: I guess if they get Kingsbury, that could keep the program moving forward. He seems to be a great coach.

I also don't understand why more FBS schools don't look at 1-AA coaches when filling roles. I'd much rather have my team get the best 1-AA coach on the market than a guy like Tommy Tuberville or Butch Jones.

Why? Mike London was a 1-AA HC and he hasn't exactly lit it up at UVA. I can't think of any other guys who made the jump. Chip Kelly was an OC at one. Brian Kelly was a D II coach. Tuberville and Jones are both good coaches who have proven that they know how to run a program and win a lot of football games at the FBS/BCS level.

1954. Every Inge Counts posted on December 08, 2012 at 03:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why? Mike London was a 1-AA HC and he hasn't exactly lit it up at UVA. I can't think of any other guys who made the jump. Chip Kelly was an OC at one. Brian Kelly was a D II coach. Tuberville and Jones are both good coaches who have proven that they know how to run a program and win a lot of football games at the FBS/BCS level.

Jim Harbaugh is a good example, Bobby Hauck is a bad example (who left a good Montana team to get destroyed at UNLV every year).

Tuberville must have hated Texas Tech for sure....

1955. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on December 08, 2012 at 03:07 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Houston Nutt made the jump from Murray State. He was there for four years. And it wasn't like he was biding time there as the heir apparent at Arkansas, his first I-A job was at Boise.

1956. Spivey posted on December 08, 2012 at 03:19 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why? Mike London was a 1-AA HC and he hasn't exactly lit it up at UVA. I can't think of any other guys who made the jump. Chip Kelly was an OC at one. Brian Kelly was a D II coach. Tuberville and Jones are both good coaches who have proven that they know how to run a program and win a lot of football games at the FBS/BCS level.

Jim Tressel made the jump. Tuberville I think basically just didn't interrupt the status quo as far as TT goes. Which I guess he gets credit for, but I don't find him to be an inspiring coach at all. Jones is ok, but I'm very weary of guys who haven't been at a program for more than a few years everywhere he's been. He's done well each place, so I understand him jumping up. But if I'm a higher level program, I'd like a guy who has shown they can build and maintain a great program. I also don't think there is much special about any of Butch Jones' teams - they had good records as much as a result of who they played rather than how good they were. A contrast to Chip Kelly, who actually had a couple of legitimately good teams with Cincy.

1957. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP posted on December 08, 2012 at 04:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Yeah the game itself stinks but go Army! Beat Navy!

Why? Mike London was a 1-AA HC and he hasn't exactly lit it up at UVA. I can't think of any other guys who made the jump. Chip Kelly was an OC at one. Brian Kelly was a D II coach. Tuberville and Jones are both good coaches who have proven that they know how to run a program and win a lot of football games at the FBS/BCS level.

Paul Johnson.

1958. Spivey posted on December 08, 2012 at 04:28 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Georgia Southern just beat ODU into submission.

1959. you got a STEAGLES? you're gonna need a STEAGLES. posted on December 08, 2012 at 06:27 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Georgia Southern just beat ODU into submission.

i hear the B1G is still looking to expand into georgia...

1960. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP posted on December 08, 2012 at 07:22 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Heartbreaker. Really good game though.

1961. Quaker posted on December 08, 2012 at 10:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And Manziel's 10:6 TD:Int ratio in conference play and 1-2 record vs good teams nets him the Heisman.

1962. Every Inge Counts posted on December 08, 2012 at 10:19 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I heard Alabama is claiming part of the Heisman.

1963. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) posted on December 08, 2012 at 10:22 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

sure better than Toretta's #s.

1964. Weekly Journalist_ posted on December 09, 2012 at 08:37 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Anyone else think TAMU is an early title favorite for 2013? Their OOC is ridiculously easy (Rice, SMU, UTep, Sam Houston State), they have 'Bama at home, then also in conference they have at Arkansas, Vanderbilt, at Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, and at Mizzou...and then their toughest road game, at LSU.

If they beat Bama early I think you have to like their chances of at least making it to the SEC title game for a shot at the MNC game.

1965. Weekly Journalist_ posted on December 09, 2012 at 08:42 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I love the FCS playoffs too, but prefer when teams with no FBS in state competition make it. Watching crazy atmospheres at Montana, for instance, is more fun than the who-cares crowds you get for Georgia Southern, Sam Houston State, and other schools in FBS territory.

Thus, I'm pulling for North Dakota State!

1966. Every Inge Counts posted on December 09, 2012 at 12:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Anyone else think TAMU is an early title favorite for 2013? Their OOC is ridiculously easy (Rice, SMU, UTep, Sam Houston State), they have 'Bama at home, then also in conference they have at Arkansas, Vanderbilt, at Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, and at Mizzou...and then their toughest road game, at LSU.

I like them as dark horse candidates, but they are likely losing their bookend tackles, 3 of their top 5 WRs, their best pass rusher....

1967. Every Inge Counts posted on December 10, 2012 at 03:15 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bobby Petrino to Western Kentucky...yep

Mike MacIntyre (from San Jose State) to Colorado. Sure why not...

1968. Cowboy Popup posted on December 10, 2012 at 03:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Bobby Petrino to Western Kentucky...yep

That's pretty much as far down the totem poll as you can go. I don't see what WKU has to gain here. They need someone to build on what Taggart left behind, not the horrible douche that Petrino is. He'll be gone the second he gets a better offer and he's never left a program in even decent shape after he leaves.

1969. Meatwad denied pope, reveals he faked it at mass posted on December 11, 2012 at 02:12 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Notre Dame vs Alabama will be the cover for the last print edition for TSN. going digital jan 1st

1970. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:41 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

And Mike Leach's first protégé, Kliff Kingsbury, goes back to Texas Tech as head coach. Age 33. In fall of 2008 he was given his first coaching job, "Quality Control" at Houston.

In the Cotton Bowl TAMU will be led by the offensive line coach.

1971. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:53 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Frankly, that's a great move for Texas Tech, after a number of blunders (firing Leach for one).

Let's pretend they don't hire Kingsbury, who do they get? I support this type of hire.

1972. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) posted on December 13, 2012 at 01:46 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

side note: how ###### is UConn and maybe Temple. The Jesus schools are meeting Thursday and it seems they are really close to looking to take off and be their own league.

1973. The Yankee Clapper posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:26 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

There is no apparent good ending for the Big East, so perhaps it's best for the basketball-only schools to bring things to a speedy end. They must be awfully tired of FBS schools opting out whenever a better football conference beckons, replaced by geographically-distant schools with generally lower ranked basketball programs. The watered down Big East football program wouldn't seem likely to bring in enough revenue to make it worthwhile to stay for the remainder of the death spiral.

1974. Tripon posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:33 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

And Mike Leach's first protégé, Kliff Kingsbury, goes back to Texas Tech as head coach. Age 33. In fall of 2008 he was given his first coaching job, "Quality Control" at Houston.

Probably the best thing for Texas Tech. Kingsbury probably not going to leave TT unless its for a NFL job.

1975. Tripon posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:59 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

edit: double post

1976. smileyy posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:00 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

The A-10 better be ready to kick out half the teams that are dregs in order to welcome in the Big East basketball schools. Because otherwise, the top-tier will leave to join those schools anyway.

1977. The Yankee Clapper posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:16 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Is it possible that instead of merging with the Atlantic 10, the Big East BB schools would seek to cherry pick its more desirable members?

1978. smileyy posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:24 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

[1977] That's the most likely scenario, I think. Xavier, Butler, VCU for sure. St. Joe's? St. Louis is probably less desirable without Rick Majerus. And somehow Temple ended up on the wrong side of things by being a Big East "football school".

1979. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on December 13, 2012 at 09:28 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Is it possible that instead of merging with the Atlantic 10, the Big East BB schools would seek to cherry pick its more desirable members?

Supposedly the basketball schools want to kick out the football schools and keep the Big East moniker and associated rights. Apparently they are in a brief moment where the new members don't have votes yet and the leaving members don't have votes so the basketball schools have a clear majority of the votes.

1980. Meatwad denied pope, reveals he faked it at mass posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

They have just enough votes to dissolve the conference. hell they should pair with the ACC, take all the old big east teams and go 2 11 team divisions, one called the big east and the other can be the atlantic costal conference, preserving all the old rivalry's and making it a monster of a conference

1981. Weekly Journalist_ posted on December 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Man, it really sucks to be UConn, Cincy, and USF right now.

1982. Tripon posted on December 13, 2012 at 01:07 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Big East brand right now is horrible. Why the heck would you want to be associated with a conference nobody wants to be in? The A-10 teams should stand firm and realize that jumping to the Big East causes a lot more headaches than it would help.

1983. smileyy posted on December 13, 2012 at 01:33 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why the heck would you want to be associated with a conference nobody wants to be in?

I think they see that as a short-term trend, mostly diluted by the football-playing schools. It wouldn't surprise me if its also an attempt to get leverage over the incoming schools because of the existing brand (rather than forming a new conference). But the BE BB schools need Xavier, et. al., more than Xavier needs them.

1984. Weekly Journalist_ posted on December 13, 2012 at 01:37 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Big East brand right now is horrible.

Are you cracked? It's still a premier hoops conference. Who has heard of the A-10?

1985. Tripon posted on December 13, 2012 at 01:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Are you cracked? It's still a premier hoops conference. Who has heard of the A-10?

Bulter just joined, Dayton, St. Bonaventure, Temple, VCU and especially Xavier are known. Colleges that have left including Uconn, and Rugters have left because of football. Temple will leave the A-10 because of football (And even then they're going to find a new home.)

After all the departing members leaves, the Big East just going to be UConn, Cincy, South Florida, and the basketball only schools with DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, st. John, Seaton Hall, and Villanova.

The days of the Big East being relevant in football and basketball are over. If I'm a A-10 team, why should I join a conference that with all the football members looking to bolt as fast as possible. Why am I'm leaving for a conference that TV deal is going to SUCK when they lose UConn and Cincy? I would rather stay in the A-10 and try to grow it internally, and more importantly know that basketball really does come first instead of playing second fiddle and hold to the whims of the football teams.

1986. SoSH U at work posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

As long as the Big East is populated by some FBS schools, I can see holding off on joining if I'm one of the better A-10 programs (the A-10 is probably one of the Top 4-5 basketball conferences right now, and the total absence of any FBS programs should make it fairly stable). But if the time comes when the Big East finally sheds its last three football programs (or they shed the Big East), then the Big East will again be a far more attractive destination for Xavier*, Butler, etc.).

* It would be fascinating if the BE booted out UC to invite X, providing just one more reason for those two schools to hate each other.

1987. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:15 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The football members are gone now, right?

Anyway, the Bug East's revenue is going to be better than the A-10. Basketball is generally less valuable but the BE has strong roots in much much bigger markets than the A-10 schools.

EDIT: oops, hasn't happened yet.

1988. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

So apparently the UCONN President is calling all the Jesus schools pleading with them to stay. She's the same broad that was courting an invite from the ACC last month.

1989. smileyy posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:48 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

There's a lot of incentive on both sides for BE BB schools and the stable top portion of the A-10 (the teams that have been discussed) to join together. Which means this will all fall apart.

The bottom portion of the A-10 is pretty dreadful, in an RPI-impacting way (sadly, that's still relevant). Some of those teams (Fordham, I'm looking at you), need to be in the MEAC or even lower-profile conference.

My concern is that some of the...not-good...Big East programs who used to be kinda-sorta relevant still have an over-inflated sense of their importance.

1990. smileyy posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

[1988] Its good to know you can still trust basic human principles -- doing what's best for me RIGHT NOW, without any notion of how it might fall out in the future.

1991. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on December 13, 2012 at 02:55 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Anyway, the Bug East's revenue is going to be better than the A-10. Basketball is generally less valuable but the BE has strong roots in much much bigger markets than the A-10 schools.

I don't know if it's that much of a difference.

The Big East has St. John's and Seton Hall, the A-10 has Fordham. The Big East has UConn and Providence, the A-10 has UMass and URI. The Big East has Villanova, the A-10 has St. Joe's and La Salle. The Big East will soon cease to have Pitt, the A-10 has Duquesne. The Big East has Georgetown, the A-10 has George Washington. The Big East has Cincinnati, the A-10 has Xavier. The Big East has "strong roots" in Chicago and Milwaukee, the A-10 has Saint Louis and Indianapolis (those roots are not quite so strong). The big difference in terms of "markets" is whatever DePaul brings to the table, and the difference between St. John's and Fordham. Fordham sucks at basketball but it has a ton of alumni, and St. John's has not exactly been a powerhouse recently. (Steve Lavin changes everything?)

DePaul and Madison Square Garden.

1992. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The bottom portion of the A-10 is pretty dreadful, in an RPI-impacting way (sadly, that's still relevant). Some of those teams (Fordham, I'm looking at you), need to be in the MEAC or even lower-profile conference.

I don't think Fordham is going to move to a conference of historically black schools whose northernmost member is in Baltimore. The football team already plays in the Patriot League. Or they could follow Hofstra to the CAA.

1993. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Big East basketball brand is way way better than the A-10. But the Big East basketball product, once the departing schools leave, is maybe no better than A-10. Big East means ESPN Big Monday and all that jazz. A-10 is second tier ESPN games, at least in the public eye.

Supposedly the Jesus schools have the votes right now, for a very short period of time (until Temple is a full member), to possibly dissolve the league and retain their NCAA tournament credits. It appears likely they will do that, and probably invite some other schools aboard at that point. If they wait, they'll lose their window which will likely never return. They'll be saddled with SMU, Houston and the others forever.

1994. The Yankee Clapper posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Big East has St. John's and Seton Hall, the A-10 has Fordham. The Big East has UConn and Providence, the A-10 has UMass and URI. The Big East has Villanova, the A-10 has St. Joe's and La Salle. The Big East will soon cease to have Pitt, the A-10 has Duquesne. The Big East has Georgetown, the A-10 has George Washington. The Big East has Cincinnati, the A-10 has Xavier. The Big East has "strong roots" in Chicago and Milwaukee, the A-10 has Saint Louis and Indianapolis (those roots are not quite so strong). The big difference in terms of "markets" is whatever DePaul brings to the table, and the difference between St. John's and Fordham.

While they may share the same geographic markets, in almost every case the Big East BB teams are considerably more successful. Georgetown is usually in the national rankings and plays its home games in the Verizon Center, a NBA arena. GW is rarely ranked and plays its home games in a nice 5,000 seat on-campus gym. Not all the differences are as stark, but the A-10 has a ways to go to match the Big East.

1995. cmd600 posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1991 - I'm not sure it's as simple as having a team in the market. UConn and Georgetown will always draw more viewers than UMass and George Washington. Chicago, by itself, is much greater than St. Louis and Indianapolis.

1996. Tripon posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:48 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

1991 - I'm not sure it's as simple as having a team in the market. UConn and Georgetown will always draw more viewers than UMass and George Washington. Chicago, by itself, is much greater than St. Louis and Indianapolis.

Yet, that's why conferences are adding football teams. Texas A&M became valuable to the SEC despite it being a very distant 2nd in terms of viewership and popularity in Texas to Texas. Just having a potential TV market is seemly more important than actually having a market.

1997. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on December 13, 2012 at 03:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

And in turn, most of the money you get from having that TV market comes from people who don't want to watch sports being forced to pay for sports channels. Not sure why people who don't want to watch football are more valuable sports consumers than people who don't want to watch basketball. Maybe because it airs fewer games so people will be less annoyed by it.

1998. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on December 13, 2012 at 04:07 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Well I get the feeling forced cable subscriptions are not a product of college basketball because it lacks the critical mass of popularity to strong arm local cable companies but I admit to no real evidence on the issue.

1999. cmd600 posted on December 13, 2012 at 04:18 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Yet, that's why conferences are adding football teams. Texas A&M became valuable to the SEC despite it being a very distant 2nd in terms of viewership and popularity in Texas to Texas. Just having a potential TV market is seemly more important than actually having a market.

I'm not sure A&M can be compared to George Washington and UMass. The former, despite being #2 in its state, is still perennially ranked and recognized as a more than respectable program throughout the nation. The latter would be like saying you got Miami, Toledo, and Kent St, so you've locked up the 12 million people in Ohio. They aren't just second fiddle, there's a huge chasm between them and #1.

2000. smileyy posted on December 13, 2012 at 04:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

[1992] Oops. I think I picked the wrong conference. I meant MAAC or possibly NEC.

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