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Player IP SO/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ OPS+ W L ERA HR BA OBP SLG OPSGreg Maddux 880.0 5.32 3.15 0.55 108 92 58 49 3.62 54 .260 .325 .361 .687Trevor Cahill 697.0 5.64 3.38 0.98 108 95 47 43 3.87 76 .252 .323 .398 .721
Towers has been trying to trade Upton since he took over the job.
Wel the reason would be not getting him.
But the issue is that if the cost of getting him is a king's ransom, then he's no bargain. Let your competitor overspend for him.
I'm not sure why that would matter so much - if someone is going to get Upton, why not "you" if you think Upton's true talent level is 2011 and not 2012? He's signed on a reasonable deal though 2015 and should be enticing to even the poormouth welfare teams under those terms, if (IF!) they think he's still the same player he was in 2011. I dunno, I think Harvey's proposal in #35 is the sort of realistic offer Arizona should expect to receive from at least a few teams, and that's a nice starting point for a negotiation even if all the involved teams know for certain that Tower will accept one of their final offers.
Because it always does. Things always start with "OMG, this amazing player might be available, they'll get a fortune for him." They almost always eventually turn into Carlos Gomez.
That's all I can think of for position players. The closest comps I think are Swisher to the Yanks and Cabrera where the teams felt they "had" to move the player. Can you explain how Swisher goes from two legit prospects and an average guy (Sweeney) to Wilson Betemit in one crappy season? Can you explain how one of the top 5 hitters in the game brings back toolsy goofs (OK, money probably had something to do with that one)?
Based on that opinion, I think D Backs would need to get back an Andrus PLUS a major league ready prospect that has at least a 25% chance to be worth 3-5 WAR over the next 3 seasons in order to make it an even or fair deal.
Andrus is a similar level player in WAR
But in front of Jurickson Profar.
They might also try to trade Kinsler before his value runs out, and move either Andrus or Profar to 2B.
I'd guess there are no more than 30-40 uncomfortable games per year.
The knock on Texas was that it was unbearably hot to play there (so much that the Astros built the first indoor stadium!) but they don't really have problems signing FA.
Whether true or not, there's a reputation that the Texas heat drains players, to the extent that a lot of the Rangers don't play well at the end of the season because they're too worn out. Whether it's actually true almost doesn't matter if players believe it.
Things always start with "OMG, this amazing player might be available, they'll get a fortune for him." They almost always eventually turn into Carlos Gomez. The DBacks/Towers are very close to the point where Upton "has to go." You never get value in that situation, especially given he's having a lousy season. How many times do we end up saying "why didn't team X offer a better deal?"
The one time I can remember when a player was traded due to personality issues and it turned out wonderfully for the trading team was the Cardinals trading Garry Templeton (and Sixto Lezcano and other stuff) for Ozzie Smith
shoewizard, what would be the best realistic outcome you could see for Arizona? Trade for Chase Headley? Towers and Upton kiss and make up? Towers is fired?
The problem is that dislike of Upton apparently travels all the way up to ownership. It wasn't Towers that set this chain of events in motion after all. At least not publicly.
Most likely none of the above. I don't see arch enemies SD and AZ being able to pull off a blockbuster type deal involving Upton and Headley. And while I am still hopeful that a second half surge by Upton and the team in general might change the atmosphere, the odds seem low. And Towers is very well liked and respected by the ownership and upper management and is definitely not going to be fired. So none of the outcomes you presented seem very likely to me.
What I EXPECT to happen is they will fail to be able to pull of a trade by the deadline...the team continues to fall out of the race, and some time after the trade deadline it finally comes out that Upton is hurt and needs to be shut down. (Either thumb or shoulder).
This will in turn further erode his trade value, but the team will still move him over the off season for a mediocre return. Following which in one of the next 3 seasons, Upton will put up an MVP caliber season. Thats what I EXPECT to happen.
Heard DH on KTAR about an hour ago doing his best to dispel the rumors. Two things that stuck with me:
1. He was very emphatic about the fact that Justin is NOT a problem in the club house or on the field and reiterated that they are not shopping him. Said what we have heard before, that like any other player, they would entertain any offer that blew them away. He mentioned a few times that Justin is a great kid (I think he even said he had a good attitude, but I'm not positive) and that anyone that says there must be something "wrong" with Justin because of these rumors is absolutely misinformed.
2. He said that any trade they make for Upton would have to make them BETTER this year, at the MLB level. This could be a good or a bad thing. If they think they get better this year by trading him for a "proven vet" journeyman with "spark and clubhouse presence," etc., that's about the worst of all possibilities. If he means they would have to get a current star player in return and basically make it a "buying" move rather than a "selling" move, that is still not a good decision but the good side is that that scenario is extremely unlikely.
Anyone who also heard the Doug and Wolf interview, please correct or add to my account.
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