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But that doesn't bother you, because you have paid people to do the dirty work of carnivorism for you. You seem to think that makes you better than those that do it for themselves.
If you think a cattle farmer killing wolves indiscriminately and a deer hunter are the same thing then nothing anybody can say will reach you.
I agree with the thrust of this, which is why I've not advocated for hunters to be punished, as I would if they were shooting people.I just don't think this justifies it.
Have hunters offered their voice to global warming mitigation?
And if you think hunters are not environmentalists, then you don't know any.
They're both hunters, aren't they? They might be hunting for different reasons but they're still hunting.
And hunters can be unbelievably irresponsible. The passenger pigeon was driven extinct by gratuitous and excess hunting. They use lead shot which contaminates aquifers and poisons wildlife. The California condor was nearly driven extinct by a combination of powerline accidents, killing by hunters and poisoning by lead shot left in the environment by hunters. Powerlines serve a useful purpose. Shooting and poisoning condors does not.
The idea that hunters are environmental philanthropists is a spurious one. Most only care about the environment to the extent it supports the game animals they like to hunt. Have hunters offered their voice to global warming mitigation? Not that I can see. And the funds raised by hunters for wildlife management all too often is used to support the overpopulation of game species so hunters will have more animals to kill. Wildlife manager Dr. Gary Alt had to start wearing a bulletproof vest to work because he received so many death threats after recommending the PA deer population be culled by 2/3's.
TD, riddle me this. Why was Alt's life threatened?
I've said if you're killing the animal to eat it, I'm fine with that.
And no one is saying you have to KILL your own meat to have the right to eat it.
I have to admit, I'm the type that roots for the bull in a bullfight or that whispered to myself "Dumbass" when the tiger nearly killed Roy. I don't believe in gratuitously abusing animals.
10$ if that tourist was ray.
Before you go too far down that rabbit hole, you should probably consider that a not insignificant number of those threats were probably from Greenpeace type extremists who would react violently to the killing of any animal.
One more question for the hunters in the thread (and I'm definitely in the factory farming is 100 times worse than hunting camp): how much less enjoyment would you get out of just going backpacking?
Appealing to what hunters did before modern conservation measures were understood, appreciated and adopted is really pointless. Animals have been hunted to extinction throughout history; it is just in this era that we have got it right and you are still piling on.
Getting back to Ricketts, the Monterrey aquarium is the greatest aquarium in this or any other country. There is no argument about this.
I just can't shake the feeling that there's something ugly about killing anything for sport,
Just to throw in a factoid that may or may not have been mentioned by now: According to the International Hunter Education Association, a bit over 1,000 North American hunters are accidentally shot each year, with slightly under 100 fatalities.
Paying others to slaughter miserable factory farmed animals while you turn your noses up at people who take wild game themselves is even uglier.
Getting back to TraderDave's accusation that I don't know any hunters. I used to have a large property in the upper south that was rural in character and had a significant stream running through it. My property back up, through a wooded floodplain, to a gun club. Many of my neighbors were hunters, and they hunted locally. They thought it was their right to hunt on my property. I was working in the yard one weekend in the fall and all of a sudden I heard a rustle and this huge buck came running right up into my backyard from the stream and took off towards the rear of my property. Following shortly were a pack of hunting beagles. One of the beagles was exhausted and just sat next to my outdoor shed and watched me mow the lawn. I went over to check him out and his legs were all torn up from running through the underbrush. I called the number that was on his collar and asked to owner to come over and pick him up. After an hr or so, I called again. Finally, a pickup truck with a dog cage in the flatbed pulled in and a guy who could only be described as a "Bubba" got out and gathered the dog up and put him in the truck. I tried talking to him but he was clearly pissed that I interrupted his hunt to have to come and get the dog.
After thinking about it awhile though, I began to think "What nerve. Who does this guy think he is to assume he has the right to run his dogs through my property and kill my deer?" I suppose it is customary for landowners in that area to allow such a thing but still, if a homeowner like me objects, then that objection should be respected. He should have apologized to me and asked permission before running his dogs on my land that way.
I pay no one to slaughter anything
Forgot to add that hunting deer with dogs is also an extreme minority practice.
Hunting for me is mainly solitary. Not completely so, but mainly. I love dawn & dusk hunts (and in CA, that's most of it) to see, hear, smell & feel the woods waking up and going to sleep.
Just throwing in that taking young kids out to the woods [d]or to check out tide pools is, in my opinion, excellent parenting.
You ... you monster!
The tide pools there, especially in Pacific Grove, are amazing. When my mother still lived in the Salinas Valley, my perfect day was to get up early and hike The Pinnacles then drive to the tide pools for some clambering and then drive a bit north to Salinas River State Beach for the sunset (it's a pretty sparsely visited beach so you can be by yourself) and to watch the seabirds (and often dolphins and otters). If you do that, the area's best seafood and west coast Italian seafood place is right there in Moss Landing for dinner. I recommend the cioppino which for which they (Phil's Fish Market) are rightly famous. That place has gotten more popular and much larger since I was a kid, but it's still pretty great.
Also, is that hostel near Monterey the one with the hot tub?
In fact, that's where I plan to get married in the fall.
I don't think so? It's the youth hostel, right in the middle of Monterey. I've only ever stayed there when it was cold out, but I don't remember a hot tub there.
HOWEVER: DIY pancake breakfast included with the room/bunk!
For those who hate camping: have you tried it recently? I think the evolution in camping gear in the last 20 years has been spectacular. Backpacks are almost a pleasure to wear now and, for me at least, the difference between being miserable and enjoying myself is a good sleeping mat.
she wants to do it someplace nice instead.
you are definitely right about this, the equipment is substantially improved, I still don't like camping very much. I have the means to buy all the fancy camping stuff, and I do have some of it, but it doesn't change my tune.
There's a hostel south of Half Moon Bay at Pigeon Point lighthouse that has a hot tub. In fact, that's where I plan to get married in the fall.
Until we allow mountain lions and wolves to roam the suburbs we'll need to shoot the damn deer to prevent them from ruining their local environments.
Check out the speed of this defenseless deer:
Primate bachelor party for Shooty!
My point is that deer are really, really fast, and therefore really, really hard to kill. Duh.
Until we allow mountain lions and wolves to roam the suburbs we'll need to shoot the damn deer to prevent them from ruining their local environments
Pretty cool to drive down there in the winter and look out with binocs scoped high-powered rifle and see some guy hanging on to a 100m+ pillar of ice on the wall of a mountain.
So you see some deer during your two weeks in your blind.
By the way, aside from a grizzly, you do not want to #### around with a moose.
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