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When the dust from the fighting settled, Puig, Dodgers hitting coach Mark McGwire, reliever Ronald Belisario, Kennedy, Gibson and coach Turner Ward had been ejected.
Umpire Larry Vanover said Belisario was "out of control" and Puig and McGwire were "instigating."
"I didn't order anything," said Gibson.
Several more could have been ejected. Like J.P. Howell, who sprinted from the bullpen to drape Ward around the photo-well railing. Like Mattingly, who threw Arizona coach Alan Trammell to the ground.
Actually I would suggest an automatic suspension for hitting a guy anywhere above the shoulder blades, with no regard for intentionality or lack thereof.
There's no way, for instance, that Kennedy wasn't trying to put one in Greinke's earhole. That's just unacceptable. If I get angry and throw a baseball as hard as I can at somebody's face, and I connect, I'm going to jail. Kennedy's just going to get a week off work.
For the record: Greinke hit a guy in the ass. Ian Kennedy hit two guys in the head with fastballs.
I can't believe Beckett wanted to mix it up with Don Baylor. Baylor would have mudholed his ass.
If I get angry and throw a baseball as hard as I can at somebody's face, and I connect, I'm going to jail. Kennedy's just going to get a week off work.
If I swing a big wooden bat around while at work, I'm getting fired. But these ballplayers do it every day! What a country!
(2) For someone willing to decapitate another person with a baseball, Kennedy sure didn't seem interested in sticking around and fighting afterward.
(3) Would love to know what Montero was saying to Greinke at the plate. He actually looked kind of conciliatory.
(4) The MLB video with Vin Scully has a great replay around 6:14 which is about as close as you or I will actually get to being in a brawl.
This is a dumb comment and you should be ashamed of it. The analogy is completely without merit, ignorant of context and intent, and doesn't bother engaging with the original point.
Kennedy's scurrying back to the dugout as quickly as possible stands in stark contrast to Greinke, who, despite his seemingly frail physique, a) stood his ground against the much bigger Carlos Quentin earlier this year, and b) tonight made a point of coming up to bat even after he was done pitching, despite knowing damn well he would be thrown at.
to bat even after he was done pitching, despite knowing damn well he would be thrown at.
Wow, Zack's kind of a dumbass.
The original analogy was just as bad mine, and it's a waste of time to engage with people who are clutching their pearls as they faint dead away.
I don't think it's fair to say that Mattingly or Greinke knew he was going to be hit.
Well, let's put it this way. As Greinke was walking up to the plate, I called out to everyone in my house, "Come watch, there's about to be a big fight." It was extremely predictable, especially if one was familiar with Kennedy's history of headhunting against the Dodgers.
Okay, fine. My job involves audiovisual equipment. I often carry video cameras to events.
If I lose my temper and hit somebody that I'm interviewing in the face as hard as I can with a video camera, I'm going to jail. Kennedy's getting a week off work.
I called out to everyone in my house, "Come watch, there's about to be a big fight."
Pointing out that behaviors which are tolerated in one place are not tolerated in another is not a valid argument that they should not be tolerated anywhere.
Is there a place in which throwing baseballs at people's faces out of spite should be tolerated?
I'm not really agreeing with the idea that Kennedy should be prosecuted, but I think that his actions and intent meet the requirements of assault and battery. As such, I'd suspend him for a damned long time, longer than I'd give someone for PED use.
What Kennedy did is for better or worse not that unusual in the scope of Major League Baseball. For MLB (or a District Attorney) to suddenly elevate it to a level of punishment greatly in excess of what has historcially been done would be grossly unfair.
Except what Kennedy did is extremely unusual in the scope of Major League Baseball. This wasn't the usual ###-for-tat brushback retaliation pitch you see all the time. This was a guy hitting two players in the head with fastballs, smirking as he did it, and freely admitting after the game that it was intentional. It's very, very unusual even in retaliation situations for a pitcher to aim for the head -- and I've never heard of a single instance in the history of baseball where a guy did it twice in one game.
Hitting a guy in the shoulder should be reason enough to get suspended, and Kennedy should be suspended for hitting Puig in the face whether he intended to or not. Going and throwing at Greinke's head after hitting Puig in the face--even supposing hitting Puig was unintentional--should get him suspended for a long time.
Why should he be suspended for hitting Puig "whether intentional or not" ? that doesn't make any sense.
I don't believe there is any suspension for a first positive marijuana test.
He did not hit Puig on purpose. It was an 0-2 count, they had been pitching him up, that one got away. Of course Greinke was blatantly intentional. But keep the facts straight.
)...after all it shouldn't be too hard for a major league pitcher to not hit someone in the face.
Question: Should Greinke be suspended for throwing at Montero, CLEARLY intentionally ?
Tossing Greinke means that the party of the first part gets a free pass. Not saying it wouldn't have helped, or even been appropriate here, but that's why the umps are loath to do it.'
Cold-hearted roto-playing bastards like myself are concerned that the brawl will mean Kennedy will miss his start at home against the Marlins....
For MLB (or a District Attorney) to suddenly elevate it to a level of punishment greatly in excess of what has historcially been done would be grossly unfair.
the umpires really screwed the pooch by not tossing Greinke immediately and potentially containing the situation.
As Greinke was walking up to the plate, I called out to everyone in my house, "Come watch, there's about to be a big fight."
LF – Don Baylor
SS – Alan Trammell
RF – Don Mattingly
1B – Mark McGwire
3B – Matt Williams/Tim Wallach
CF – Kirk Gibson
DH – Tim Wallach/Matt Williams
2B – Davey Lopes
C – Steve Yeager (might be a stretch)/Glenn Sherlock
SP – Charles Nagy
RP – Rick Honeycutt
UT – Steve Sax
OF – Turner Ward]
You guys watch baseball? How many times do you see balls sail 4 feet over the plate? Bounce 8 feet in front of the plate? Sail three feet outside. Pitching is hard
So....is everyone a Dodger fan or are we all watching different video?
The issue isn't the first HBP. It's the second one.
It has been suggested several times in this thread. Not simply ejected, but suspended. It's a ridiculous position.
The first pitch of the AB was a foul that pretty clearly went off Puig's bat and kicked over toward a dugout. Not like it was a mere graze or anything. He apparently called the pitch a ball, which Montero only realized once the count got to 2-1.
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