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If you put James on last year's versions of the Cavs, Wizards or Bobcats, how good are those teams? Bottom-of-the-bracket playoff teams? Solid, mid-level playoff teams? Genuine contenders?
Random off-season question: how many games is LeBron, by himself, worth to a team?
Wiz: contenders (but probably not good enough to win it all)
Does LeBron, by himself, make a team a contender?
Hmmm. They were 5th in DRtg, so they'd be a great defensive team. But they were last in ORtg. They don't have a lot of good pieces on offense to surround LBJ - almost no shooting. I think they'd be worse than any of the good LeBron Cavs teams. Pacers definitely would have beaten them. It would have been an epic struggle against the Bulls (like 60-55 final scores every game). I think the Knicks would have beaten them.
Starks is listed at 6'3, which is my height. I can get my fingers on an 8 foot rim, so I need about 24 inches to get to the 10 foot rim (which I can still do) and about 30 to dunk (I used to be able to dunk, but only in practice, never over another player, and certainly never over a 6'9 forward).
Honest question: scrutinizing their rosters - would you rather have Olajuwon's or Ewing's (from '93-'94)? E.g., Kenny Smith and Mad Max, or Starks and Old Man Harper? Charles Smith and Oak, or Thorpe and Horry?
I think that there were 5 subsequent teams that would have given the Jordan/Pippen Bulls all that they could handle: The Shaq/Kobe Lakers of 00-02; the 03 Spurs; the 08 Celtics; the 09-10 Lakers; and the 12-13 Heat. Match the Jordan/Pippen Bulls against any of those teams, and I'd bet on a seven game series, with momentum swings similar to this year's finals. I'd also take any of those teams against any of the Bulls' opponents of the 90's.
I think it's basically a push, but more importantly, how can you leave out Sam Cassell and Anthony Mason? Both of those guys seem to be massively underrated historically. Mason especially always impressed me as an opposing fan with his strength and toughness combined with a guard's handle. I'm trying to think of a present-day comp and coming up empty. In terms of impact, I'd say he was very similar to Kirilenko, though since he used strength rather than athleticism on D, his steal and block numbers are much lower.
I'd think that the current Heat would have trouble reaching the conference finals in the 90s, as Shaq, Ewing, Mourning, and even lesser names like Rik Smits and Brad Daugherty would destroy them inside. Based on the recent playoffs, they'd probably need to structure the lineup differently to contend.
The recent Celtics, Lakers, and Heat, however, were average title teams that you're vastly overrating. None of them made it through a playoffs with fewer than 7 losses.
Couldnt they repackage that 3rd round pick to use as an asset in a trade to move boozer or some other deal
For the Wizards, I get the idea that they see a hole at SF and Deng would fill it. Also, I could see them thinking they need veterans and not more rookies. But he's an upcoming FA, and I have no idea if he'd resign there (and he's likely to be overpaid and on the decline as Wall/Beal come into their primes). I think he's a good player to have on a good team, but not sure how much he's pushing a bad team to a good team.
I'm not sure if the expanded talent pool (especially international players) makes up for the greater number of teams. I suspect that it does, and that the league the Bulls dominated was just as tough. But I'm not sure
FA trivia... Josh Smith is almost a year younger than Tiago Splitter.
IMO, the overthink it thing applies as much to Chicago as it does to Washington. I think the Bulls should probably hope/assume Rose is healthy, and play out their hand, rather than bringing in Okafor and a rookie.
OTOH, might the wide-openness of the East after 2014 be a point in favor of a longer-term roster?
I agree with you on one level, in that I think Andy is selling the Bulls short. I think a lot of people now don't get/remember how good the Bulls' role players, particularly Kerr, Kukoc, and Rodman, really were. OTOH, I recall that when we arguing about the 1980s Lakers/Celtics, you focused very heavily on SRS. In this argument, you are ignoring SRS and going with playoff losses. For example:
2008 BOS 9.31 (1)
2001 LAL 3.74 (6)
There is noise there of course. Shaq missed 8 games; Kobe missed 14. Fisher missed 3/4 of the schedule, and then returned to shoot 51% on 3s in postseason, and the Lakers lost only one playoff game. But even the 2000 team, which went 67-15, had a lower SRS than Boston.
The 2009 team was similar to the 1996 Magic in many respects, but they had a higher SRS, a better PYTH, a higher defensive rating, and Phil Jackson instead of Brian Hill. Bynum was about 50% in both playoff runs, but he did help some on D.
As to the Heat, they were 3rd in O, 9th in D, had a 62-20 PYTH and were second in SRS. They may wind up being a little overrated historically, due to James and the winning streak, and Pippen and Rodman would be about the best guys you could have to deal with James. But they have a lot of three-point shooting, and the matchup stuff cuts the other way, too.
As to the teams the Bulls did beat in the real world, Simmons argued that the Bulls' W/L records, as well as those of the Jazz and Sonics and other teams in those years, were inflated by expansion. I don't know if that is true, but it should be acknowledged if you are going to suggest that the 1996 Sonics going 64-18 is evidence.
So, for me, the takeaway is the same as before: you have to break it down into separate questions. But if you are going to focus on how the teams might have matched up if they were going to get in a time machine and play games, you can't just look at playoff losses and W/L.
If you would expand on the matchup stuff that cuts in Miami's favor, I would like to hear it.
Sure, but the counterargument obviously is that the six extra teams weakened the league.
Also, as I noted, Simmons argued that Boston could have won more if they had tried harder late in the year, whereas the Bulls wanted 70.
I don't know what to think about Otto Porter. Lots of people really are saying great things about him. Of course, they said the exact same things about Jeff Green, who played the same position at the same school.
Lawson probably is not ideal for the triangle, so he will have to adapt.
Pelton, if you don't mind, how did Rice Jr's D-league numbers translate to the bigs this year? (Mind you, that he played a fair amount of four in small lineups might skew things.)
Ok, how about this: a lot of mocks have the Knicks taking the French tall guy, which I find unimaginable entirely (and irrationally) b/c of the Weis pick years ago. I know nothing about the kid's game. I am, however, intrigued by a different big guy, the Brazilian. Any one know anything about those guys?
which I find unimaginable entirely (and irrationally) b/c of the Weis pick years ago. I know nothing about the kid's game
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