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    Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-24-2013

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    posted 15 hours ago by Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) to dugout, ed walsh, history  |  19 comment(s)

    Pittsburgh Gazette Times, May 24, 1913:

    Excessive use of the spitball has injured Ed Walsh’s digestion and has thus affected his condition, so that he has not yet reached his best form of this year, according to Dr. James H. Blair, club physician of the Chicago Americans, in a report made today on the pitcher’s condition.
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    According to the doctor saliva needed for Walsh’s digestion has been used on the ball, but with care the pitcher may be in his old time form in a month.

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    51. Eric J can SABER all he wants to posted on October 22, 2012 at 12:36 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    And of course, last year had one expansion team and one losing in the opposite LCS as well.
    52. BDC  posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:02 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Holy crap, is it 1906? I think it is

    Wow. I sometimes put myself to sleep at night running through the managers of pennant-winners. It's not very common to have a matchup of two managers who have never been in a Series before (the last one was 2008, Maddon/Manuel, and then 2005 and 2002, but before that, was it 1986?) So I should have known that 1906 was the last Series between two first-time entrants, but it's fascinating that it hasn't happened since. The chances anymore are desperate; wouldn't it have to be Washington/Seattle at this point?
    53. just plain joe posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    It's such a good question, though, that it points out one thing to regret about interleague play (apart from its sheer pointlessness). The Giants and Tigers (if SF does win tonight) have never played in a Series (dang Merkle), but they've certainly played regular-season games. So the whole mystique of teams that have gone a century without ever meeting is ruined, permanently. It's nothing big, just a little tarnish on the event, should it happen.


    This; the World Series was more special before interleague play (and before it became the championship round of a post-season tournament). I still watch but much of the mystique has gone by the board.

    54. Misirlou is bad, he's nationwide posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:09 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Last Series featuring two teams with one combined appearance?


    1907?

    Last Series featuring two teams that had yet to make multiple appearances?


    1912?
    55. Eric J can SABER all he wants to posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:41 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    1907?
    1912?

    No to both. It's happened since then in both cases (and 1912 doesn't qualify; the Giants played in the Series in '05 and '11).

    Both correct answers include one of the same teams.
    56. Kiko Sakata  posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:49 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Last Series featuring two teams with one combined appearance?


    1920?
    57. Eric J can SABER all he wants to posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:53 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    1920?

    Yup - Dodgers (or Robins, at the time) 1, Indians 0.
    58. BDC  posted on October 22, 2012 at 01:59 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So is 1948 (Indians-Braves) the other?
    59. Misirlou is bad, he's nationwide posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:01 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    1920?

    Yup - Dodgers (or Robins, at the time) 1, Indians 0.


    That would have to be the answer for both then. Unless you mean both teams had one and only one. In that case, as far as I can see, never.

    edit: Never mind.
    60. Eric J can SABER all he wants to posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:02 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    So is 1948 (Indians-Braves) the other?

    It is indeed.
    61. Eric J can SABER all he wants to posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:04 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Remaining teams that could produce one of these types of matchup: The Nats and Mariners have yet to win a pennant; the D'Backs, Astros, Rockies, Angels, Rays, and Brewers have one each.

    Starting next year, it seems like Astros-Brewers would be the weirdest possible World Series matchup, right?
    62. SoSH U at work posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:13 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Starting next year, it seems like Astros-Brewers would be the weirdest possible World Series matchup, right?


    Astros-Cubs would be pretty damn weird. Two WS appearances, both against Chicago clubs.
    63. Kiko Sakata  posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:15 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Astros-Rockies would feature two teams who have both been to a World Series but neither of whom has ever won a World Series game.
    64. esseff posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:16 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Starting next year, it seems like Astros-Brewers would be the weirdest possible World Series matchup, right?


    You mean an ex-NL team now in the AL playing against an ex-AL team now in the NL.

    Is that as weird as the notion the Astros will be anywhere near a World Series in the foreseeable future?
    65. Kiko Sakata  posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:21 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    Is that as weird as the notion the Astros will be anywhere near a World Series in the foreseeable future?


    I was going to second SoSH's suggestion, because an Astros-Cubs World Series in 2013 would have to have been preceded by the absolutely strangest series of events in regular-season and postseason history to bring us to that point.
    66. SoSH U at work posted on October 22, 2012 at 02:44 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    More potential weirdness:

    Orioles-Brewers WS.

    A WS featuring former division rivals, which once played famous non-playoff 163rd game to decide division title. Game pits original and present Milwaukee Brewers (and each team played in its original city for only one season before hightailing it). The Orioles once played in St. Louis and the Brewers played the other St. Louis team in its only previous WS appearance.

    67. Randy Jones  posted on October 22, 2012 at 03:11 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I was going to second SoSH's suggestion, because an Astros-Cubs World Series in 2013 would have to have been preceded by the absolutely strangest series of events in regular-season and postseason history to bring us to that point.


    28 plane crashes?
    68. Dag Nabbit has the talking pillow posted on October 22, 2012 at 03:16 PM #  hit 0 | hit 0

    I was going to second SoSH's suggestion, because an Astros-Cubs World Series in 2013 would have to have been preceded by the absolutely strangest series of events in regular-season and postseason history to bring us to that point.

    28 plane crashes?

    A postseason where Cubs evolve from men?

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