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That is, not guys who were moved one position up or down the defensive spectrum at normal ages, but guys who played at a position for which they were vastly over- or under-qualified?
I remembered that Yount had the shoulder trouble, so I agree that the data is problematic. Still, he lost 70 runs over the next three years vs. the prior three.
BTW, I thought I read somewhere that B-Ref was going to start using Dewan's DRS in calculating WAR, instead of Total Zone (for years that DRS is available). But when I look at players' value calculations, they appear to still use TZ. Is this change going to happen in the future? Was this a hallucination on my part? Anyone know the story?
Not that it matters to the overall point, but didn't Yount win a GG in CF?
Kiki/107: thanks. I was fooled by the fact that when you hover over "Rfield" it is still credited to Sean (which is true for the pre-DRS years)
No, Yount only won one Gold Glove in his career, in his MVP season at shortstop (1982). Yount won MVP awards as both a shortstop (1982) and a CF (1989), which is probably what you're thinking of.
Randolph needs to guest star in a Meatloaf song or something.
How much data is there on true out-of-position players? That is, not guys who were moved one position up or down the defensive spectrum at normal ages, but guys who played at a position for which they were vastly over- or under-qualified?
*Somebody here did run a DM sim of Bonds at every (non-pitcher?) position. The defense was predictably horrible, I think Bonds the C had over 200 passed balls. The fact that the team was scoring about 18 runs a game helped them to a pretty good record as I recall. Step 1 of "find 8 Barry Bonds" is perhaps the challenging part of that strategy.
I'm surprised that's never been a thing, other such players who were good fielders but stuck at 1B by lefthandedness. I guess they just all play the outfield, or become pitchers early in life.
Pujols in his twenties supposedly had 1B fielding stats on par with converted 2Bmen, implying Pujols could have played a passable 2B and been even more spectacular in overall value. (What was the story, that he preferred 1B because it took less of a physical toll?) Although that probably doesn't/won't hold true for his decline phase.
There were a number of guys in the 50's who took walks without being real threats at the plate. Several of them named Eddie. This is very rare today. My guess is either the strike zone is tighter, or pitchers have better control today. Or a mix of both.
My guess is either the strike zone is tighter, or pitchers have better control today.
I don't think pitchers wanted to walk him. Walks are always available if you're willing to take pitches.
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