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Monday, May 20, 2013

The Changing Gigantics of SF | Bill James Online

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posted 2 days ago by Jim Furtado to giants, sabermetrics | 15 comment(s)

Is this really true?

Baseball teams change at a glacial pace. I’m not talking about how a team does in a given season…that can change quite dramatically…I’m talking about what a team is: the broad scope of a team’s talents, their strengths and weaknesses. A team that’s good at converting a double play generally stays good at turning the double-play, just as a team with a terrible bullpen can’t make that bullpen a strength, at least not quickly. A team that gets lots of production ...

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1. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) posted on January 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Mets' fondness for spending a decent portion of their limited payroll on their bullpen is a strange one.

2. Dock Ellis on Acid

posted on January 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Met Sounds.

3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

posted on January 15, 2013 at 11:08 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Nice one, Dock.

4. Downtown Bookie

posted on January 15, 2013 at 11:51 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Indeed. Well played, Dock.

DB

5. Bob Tufts posted on January 15, 2013 at 11:53 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

Excellent Dock.

Where did your long hair go
Where is the closer we used to know
How could you lose the arm to throw
Oh, Brian Wilson no

Who took your health away
I remember how you used to play
You were the best, but that's not true
Oh, Brian Wilson you

Break my heart
I want to go and cry
Its so sad to watch your career die
Oh, Brian Wilson why

Could you ever find in you again
The chance to close the ninth again
Could you ever get it back once it has gone
Oh, Brian Wilson no

6. formerly dp posted on January 15, 2013 at 11:58 AM # hit 0 | hit 0

I am in favor of snagging Wilson, though if it pans out, he'll just be replacing the innings they got on the (relatively) cheap from Rauch. The Mets just need arms out there. And some people to field the balls that leave the infield.

7. Gonfalon Bubble posted on January 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Predicted ERA: 4.09

8. Russ posted on January 15, 2013 at 12:29 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Drove downtown in the rain nine-thirty on a Tuesday night,
just to check out the late-night reliever shop.
Call it impulsive, call it compulsive, call it insane;
but when I'm surrounded I just can't stop.

9. boteman posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think Brian Wilson should have a Smiley Smile simply to be anywhere near a Major League team in 2013. If he can't rev it up, buddy gonna shut it down.

10. Steve Treder posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:11 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

God only knows what the Giants would be without Wilson.

11. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:24 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

He's gonna give up runs, runs, runs till Terry takes the baseball away

12. Gonfalon Bubble posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:25 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wilson has given interviews to almost every New York newspaper-- the Daily News, the Post, Wall Street Journal, Newsday, the Observer-- to say this is a done deal. He just wasn't made for the Times.

13. simon bedford posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:48 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

i keep thinking wouldnt it be nice if wilson could do it again?

14. Pops Freshenmeyer posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I hear he is demanding to enter games in a bullpen car. Specifically, a little deuce...

I can't do it.

15. SG posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:55 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Wouldn't it be nice if Wilson was healthier? Then the Mets wouldn't have to wait so long.

16. Der_K posted on January 15, 2013 at 02:59 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

They said good-bye last September, his test results soon'll be clear. Keep an eye on Wilson this year...

17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) posted on January 15, 2013 at 03:21 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I can't do it.

But if you don't, we won't know what you've got!

18. RMc and His Roster of Rubbish posted on January 15, 2013 at 03:47 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Will he finally sign at 9:30 on a Tuesday night?

19. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee posted on January 15, 2013 at 03:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on January 15, 2013 at 04:03 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Another guy that has had surprisingly little buzz around him is Jose Velvarde. I know he wasn't that good last year and has has struggled in the playoffs but he has been a pretty good reliever for most of his career. It seems like this would be a good buy low opportunity.

And his struggles were exclusively against LHB. RHB hit 191/270/246 against him, and he's still throwing 93, both of which suggest he still has some stuff.

Use him as a non-closer where he can avoid LHB more (no one carries PH anyway) and he could be very good.

21. BDC

posted on January 15, 2013 at 04:07 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I find that transitive sense of "work out" interesting. Are there other seizings of intransitives (whether phrasal or not) that then get used as transitives? Can an owner "run a horse" in a race? (I think I've heard that expression, but honestly am not sure.) I guess it's like "The Rangers are batting Lance Berkman third." Or "Metropolitan auditions Taylor Swift."

22. Benji posted on January 15, 2013 at 04:09 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

They are talking about what could very easily be a waste of money while the Nats sign Soriano. I just don't get it. And yet other Met fans think they are on the right track.

23. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol posted on January 15, 2013 at 04:19 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

[22] A top-tier reliever is a waste for this club this season.

24. Tom Nawrocki posted on January 15, 2013 at 04:40 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I don't know why but I keep thinking something's bound to go wrong.

25. Knock on any Iorg posted on January 15, 2013 at 04:56 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I'm pickin up good vibrations about this rumor.

26. Posada Posse posted on January 15, 2013 at 07:59 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Meh. After the surgery, he probably throws as hard as a little surfer girl.

27. Der_K posted on January 15, 2013 at 08:20 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

22 - you'd rather the mets sign soriano!? 2/28 + a vesting option + loss of draft pick (and associated bonus cap money)?
That's nuts...

(allegedly whacks benji in the head with a 2x4)

28. formerly dp posted on January 15, 2013 at 08:34 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

[22] A top-tier reliever is a waste for this club this season.

Yeah, a low-cost deal with some upside is the type of thing the Mets need to be looking into. Same thing with filling RA's rotation spot. If it works out, great, if not, the difference between 75 wins and 73 isn't all that great in the grand scheme of things.

I was hoping they would bring Hairston back, if only to anger Lassus, but he reportedly wants a 2-year deal worth $8M, and I don't see that happening. Any non-Bay warm bodies in the OF would help at this point.

29. Lassus posted on January 15, 2013 at 08:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I was hoping they would bring Hairston back, if only to anger Lassus, but he reportedly wants a 2-year deal worth $8M, and I don't see that happening.

Don't make me come over there.

30. formerly dp posted on January 15, 2013 at 09:26 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Don't make me come over there.

I would definitely bite on the 2012 Hairston at $4M per, but I think it's a good bit of crazy to expect another couple of 20 HR seasons out of him. And on top of that, on a multiyear deal they might be tempted to play him more than he warrants.

31. depletion posted on January 15, 2013 at 10:19 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Remember when Bobby Valentine and some Mets brass went to see....Mo Vaughn work out.
Anyone who likes the Beach Boys should check out the TAMI concert online (YouTube). The Rolling Stones and James Brown were on the bill, and the Beach Boys rocked out pretty hard, as well.

32. Conor posted on January 15, 2013 at 10:44 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

It seems like the Mets are only interested in offering Wilson a minor league deal right now, so it wouldn't be a waste of any serious money.

Hairston at 2/8 might seem like a lot for the Mets right now, but they really have no OF right now, and the ones that they do have all hit left handed. They're probably going to try and wait him out and see if they can do one year and an option or something.

33. Karl from NY posted on January 16, 2013 at 03:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I read about ten posts into this thread before realizing it wasn't about Paul Wilson.

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