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Sorry, mulkowsky, but our geniuses here have the exclusive BTF copyrght on honesty, and only dishonest people can possibly disagree with their logical© interpretation of everything relating to steroids. You haven't really been initiated into BTF until you're been called "dishonest" by Ray DiPerna.
You made a statement that we should "be prepared to embrace a David Eckstein, Dale Murphy, Sean Casey HOF," as if that were likely to happen, and as if rejecting Barry Bonds on character grounds means that every marginal candidate or every joke candidate is somehow the only alternative.
I'll bite: What is the "decent, honest argument" of such, taking into account established precedent?
McGwire hit a lot of fly balls. For whatever reason (steroids, juiced ball, strike zone, global warming, whatever), fly balls were anomalously likely to turn into home runs during McGwire's stint in the league. Here is the breakdown of McGwire's balls in play:
GB 1159 / FB 2171 (416 HR) / LD 818 (68 HR)
Compare this to Sosa:
GB 2649 / FB 2524 (507 HR) / LD 1354 (94 HR)
I'm not sure where you get these numbers but they conflict with b-r. B-R puts McGwire's HR/FB at 22.5% for his career and Sosa at 18.6%. McGwire's 22.5% is higher than anybody I've found yet -- Thome is at 19-20% and even Bonds in his HR-hitting heyday only barely beats Mac at 22.8%. (Numbers don't go back very far but true TTO hitting is fairly new so I'm not sure we're missing many legit candidates.)
To OPS, a single is worth like 1.45 times as much as a walk (the ratio depends on where you start but this example hitter, with fairly typical stats, has it end up at 1.45).
Where does it say that an individual voter has to be consistent with the 70+ year history of voting by thousands of different writers?
Ray, sorry about that. I was trying to kid, not mock. Should have put a smiley face in there or something.
I don't understand why McGwire gets labeled a borderline guy so often ('roids aside). 12 AS teams, best AB/HR ratio ever, .394 career OBP, 8th all-time in SLG, 10th all-time in OPS, scores great on Black Ink and Hall of Fame monitor. That's a clear HOF in my book.
When Mark retired I certainly thought he had a bounceback season in him or 3.
I guess it's possible, but I'm sceptical if he really had that much in him.
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