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And this is my point. You are talking about a shortstop with 3,000 hits there. I think it's plausible that if having ten reasonable candidates on the ballot can knock Yount from 95% to 77%, having 20 reasonable candidates on the ballot could knock Maddux or Griffey or somebody like that from 99% to 74%. I don't think it's 50/50 odds, but if I could get the odds that people seem to believe there are of it happening, I'd bet on it.
What odds do you want on Maddux getting below 75 percent? Whatever it is, I'll take it.
One Mil...One BILLION to one.
I may be the only person around here who thinks the real problem is voters who can't distinguish between credible evidence and incredible evidence,
I don't know why people are so sure he is more likely to get more votes than Biggio.
Two Cys. A major part of the Atlanta NL dynasty. I think he was just perceived as a Hall of Famer by more people during his career than Biggio was. I think Biggio was generally seen as a poor man's Roberto Alomar, and, absent the 3,000 hits (that he struggled mightily to reach), he would have taken longer to make it than Robbie.
Man, Mussina won't come close at all.
Any chance he falls off?
(Choose up to 10.)
The Museum of Modern Art gets about 5-6 million visitors per year. The Metropolitan Museum of Art gets a comparable total. 265,000 people in a year is amazingly low.
And none is also a nonzero possibility.
What odds do you want on Maddux getting below 75 percent?
I think the best showing by anyone who ever later fell off was 13% -- and I look at Mussina as a guy who would do tons better than 13% under normal circumstances.
But the more we proceed with this system, the more gummed up the works are going to get. We all agree that there doesn't seem to be a path for a guy like Mussina who has no PED issue, but would not normally be an auto-elect anyway. My objection is to assuming that everyone who would normally be an auto-elect and has no PED issue is a totally different species and is going to be able to maneuver around the train wreck. I don't think that's a safe assumption.
Well, I don't expect the 13% record to last. (From memory, that's Sparky Lyle). I can see someone with 20% eventually falling under, but my impression was that the original question focused on the short term w/ Mussina.
guy like Schilling who borrowed millions of taxpayer dollars that he knew (or at least should have known) that he'd never be able to pay back would sail through the same standard.
And once you're past induction weekend, you can probably count on one amputated hand the number of people who base their visit to the HoF on whether or not any particular player's plaque is in the plaque room.
Speaking of Schilling, I'd like to note that it's totally crazy that a guy who used drugs to make himself a better player would be considered unelectable under the character clause at the same time that a guy like Schilling who borrowed millions of taxpayer dollars that he knew (or at least should have known) that he'd never be able to pay back would sail through the same standard.
I really thought you were going to say "it's totally crazy that a guy who used drugs to make himself a better player would be considered unelectable under the character clause, but a guy who underwent dangerous experimental surgery to make himself a better player became a hero."
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From what I am to understand locally, there really are no more "Clarks" in regards to Cooperstown and the HOF. There is one, Jane Forbes Clark, and she basically owns everything in town and all the land adjoining the town. I'm pretty sure she has no heirs.
The idea of multiple induction ceremonies is a non-starter. The big draw is the returning Hall of Famers. You aren't going to get the old-timers to show up for the whole summer.
if the hall were to build some nice summer cottages and put up the hall of famers for the summer I'd bet they could get a bunch of the old guys left standing from the eras before the 80's.
Couldn't we just install the actual Hall of Famers as living exhibits? I mean, what is Orlando Cepeda doing that's so important?
virtually nobody gives a damn about opera
It's well ahead of Pro Football's annual total, which has been around 190,000 for several seasons
Have you BEEN to Indiana?
Andy explaining why amphetamines are completely unlike steroids
This is comical, considering that there's never been a single amphetamine user who's been blackballed by the Hall of Fame because of that use, whereas the most prominent known steroid users have gathered at most between 20% and 40% of the vote. When it comes to simplistic equations of steroids and greenies, it ain't YT who's tilting at windmills.
This is comical, considering that there's never been a single amphetamine user who's been blackballed by the Hall of Fame because of that use
"Hal McCoy and Bill Conlin agree with me" is kind of like an argument....
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