Monday, May 06, 2013
Parkhouse: Do advanced stats have a place in high school baseball?
(heraldargus.com)
Well…it is K8 and not K/9.
Read More...I began thinking of this often this week as I was watching local high school teams play the game. Specifically, Michigan City and La Porte.
I became frustrated watching these players, particularly at the plate. In my opinion, too much first-pitch swinging is going on, which flies directly in the face of stats like on-base percentage, who many people - myself included - feel is a greater indicator of batting success than the more popular batting average.
If the ...
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1. Dave Spiwak posted on February 29, 2012 at 03:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0Mike Moustakas and Matt Dominguez were teammates at Chatsworth High when both were taken in the top 12 picks.
Clint Everts and Scott Kazmir were first round pick HS teammates at Cypress Falls.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is more common than you think since the overwhelming majority of first round pick HS players are from California and Florida, and some high schools are powerhouse programs.
He's throwing 100 and can't finish a 7 inning game? Weak sauce.
How do you throw 81 pitches in 6.1 IP, with one hit and zero BB?
That's 4.3 pitches per batter with only 8 Ks. Weird.
The Pirates took first-round picks (Bobby Bradley and Sean Burnett) out of the same high school in consecutive years.
He finished the game - the writeup is just saying that he had a no-hitter going for the first 6 1/3.
[Edit: Coke to DSM.]
Gotcha, my bad.
It was hard to imagine how a HSer throwing high 90s doesn't finish every game.
I was also worried some HS coach thought it was a good idea to go to the LOOGY with an 11-run lead.
Great omen for these two!
I don't remember all the names, but IIRC -- there was a freakish team that had something like Ryan Zimmerman, David Wright, BJ Upton, and others all on the same team at one time -- I believe they all moved on to Academies and didn't all graduate from the same place though.
The recovery rate on TJ's pretty good. I might still take him in the first anyway.
A team might not be willing to risk that for a Strasburg (the whole pitching prospect thing), but what about for the next A-Rod or the next Ken Griffey, Jr.? I could easily see a team be willing to employ a boom/bust strategy in the draft if they thought that was what it took to land a special player. When only 5% of the players that you draft are going to reach the majors anyway, why not be willing to think outside the box, if you believe that strategy will give you an advantage.
But not 2nd overall, right?
The Pirates are picking eighth this year, so I've been kind of coming at it from that POV.
I guess I might be open to taking him 2nd. It depends how the other candidates do between then and now.
From what I read, it's not torn and no surgery is required.
And I don't want the Pirates going anywhere near him. They need to concentrate on hitters this year. There are likely to be at least two good up-the-middle players available when they draft.
-- MWE
I read that too, but the coach who made that statement is also the coach who admitted to lying last week and saying that Giolito had a groin strain rather than elbow problems. Who knows what it actually looks like?
Not to mention the inherent subjectivity of assessing most arm injuries, anyway...
Which two did you mean, Mike? Almora/Cecchini/Correa? Or Trahan? Or Dahl as a CF?
Yet. If he keeps cranking it up to 100 it will tear.
Really? Isn't slot still well into 7 figures for most of the first round?
Any of the above :) The only guy in that group that I see going ahead of where the Pirates pick is Correa. I'd toss Addison Russell and CJ Hinojosa into that mix, too, although there are concerns about both of those guys staying on SS going forward.
Yes, but it drops off pretty drastically from the top. The #1 pick is worth $7.2 million; the #5 pick is $3.5.
-- MWE
You've got to be categorically insane to turn down $1M+ if you're a pitcher.
You're one pop from bagging groceries, with college coaches who have no long term investment in you.
They sell insurance for that
I don't understand what this means. If a team signs a player they have to give up next year's draft pick?
If they break slot by more than 5% for their first ten picks in aggregate, they forfeit their next year's first rounder, IIRC.
Some of them do, and some of them don't, but all of them might in the future if they get drafted by the right team. That's reason enough to pay attention.
So this has all been a long winded plot to be able to categorize the Pirates as a "right team" to be drafted by?
I didn't sneak into Giolito's room at night and break his elbow, if that's what you're asking.
Well I was asking if your logic is no dh=right teams to get drafted by, Pirates= no dh, ergo, the pirates are the right team to be drafted by. But now that you mention it, do you have an alibi?
If I am a guy like Zach Lee, the football scholarship suddenly looks a lot more appealing to me....
ARod and Doug Mientkiewicz were high school teammates. Mark Loretta and Gregg Zaun were as well.
And what of AL players?
Currently the Pirates' DPD, more or less. We were together at Duke for a few years, though I never met him.
Cordova High in Sacramento in 1972 produced 1st rounders Jerry Manuel (20th overall) and Mike Ondina (12th), and in the same draft Nyls Nyman (12th round). Crazy thing is their coach is still on the job with more than 800 wins.
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