Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza and Craig Biggio have been elected to the Hall of Merit!
The timing for our first year electing 4 candidates could not have worked out better, since class of 2013 is the strongest in terms of electees that we’ve ever had. The top of the 1934 ballot included Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Eddie Collins, Pop Lloyd, Smokey Joe Williams and Cristobal Torriente, but only 2 were elected.
Bonds and Clemens were each unanimous at 1 and 2. I believe that’s the first ...
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1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on February 05, 2013 at 12:46 PM # hit 0 | hit 0Today's players don't try as hard and don't love the game the way previous generations did. No way guys that lazy can hit 60. Makes sense to me.
In retrospect, a Foster glove is ridiculous.
I know this is meant as snark, but having watched those years in his case it was matter of making adjustments to the loss of bat speed, followed by the loss of even more bat speed and it was sayonara
My first bat was a Dwight Gooden bat.
My first glove was a Joel Youngblood glove.
WTF?
I still have mine. Any chance you got yours at Nill Brothers?
Was the glove bald?
I'm fainting in shock that someone was soliciting George Foster's opinion. I wonder what Don Money thinks?
Although it must be getting to the point where Hank Aaron is tasing anyone who approaches him with a notepad.
I cringe when I think about the season the Giants made Youngblood their regular third baseman. Talk about a Hobson's choice . . .
I think it was a local sporting goods store. I know I shopped at Nill Brothers in high school though.
It's like buying a Mark Belanger bat.
I'll admit my first notion was to wonder at the life of the former baseball star. Fargo American Legion Post #2 in January? Oh, I know, let's get George Foster! Foster, puttering around the house ... "and I get dinner too? I'm in!"
But here's some of the past speakers at this event:
Hall of Famers Bert Blyleven, Rollie Fingers, Gaylord Perry, Robin Roberts, Fergus Jenkins, Paul Molitor have all been past speakers along with Post 2 Hall of Famer and former MLB pitcher Rick Helling and former Minnesota Twins 20-game winner Jim “Mud Cat” Grant.
(Foster noted he was the first hitter to speak) The guys with Minnesota connections are obvious and probably "near" Fargo a lot of the time. But obviously this isn't as podunk an event as I thought ... or Foster isn't the only ballplayer willing to schlep to Fargo for a few bob and rubber chicken dinner.
I grew up playing little league in fields adjacent to Post 2's Jack Williams stadium. We sometimes had delays because their HRs would trickle into our infield. When I got a little older, some of my friends played Legion baseball. One of my best friends still has some of the pitching records, I believe.
Nor can I blame them.
That only lasted two years, and one of them he hit well OPS+138. My first and only glove, which I still use, is a 1966 Fred Whitfield.
The shocking thing was that George played his home games in Riverfront Stadium, a pretty decent hitters park, yet in '77 he hit 31 of his 52 dingers on the road. Go figure. Balls must have been juiced.
Given that Hobson's choice, I would have put Hobson at third every day, despite the errors. At least Butch could hit at the beginning.
Kinda. Problem is he was already 33 when he got to NY. Through age 25, he had barely over 1000 PA, and not particularly good ones, and that's a hard path to the HoF. In this day and age, folks would have been whispering about Foster's mysterious age 26-32 run:
through 25: 1049 PA, 99 OPS+, 27 HR
26-32: 4100 PA, 149 OPS+, 221 HR
33-37: 2664 PA, 102 OPS+, 100 HR
But, it's not impossible. HoF, less than 1500 PA through age 25, some names: Boggs, Fisk, Puckett, Stargell, Perez. Stargell and Perez seem the most similar:
Stargell 26-32: 3700 PA, 153 OPS+, 218 HR
Perez 26-32: 4600 PA, 138 OPS+, 196 HR
So Stargell and Foster are nearly identical at those ages. Stargell and Perez had been better (or at least more productive as hitters) through age 25.
Stargell 33+: 3800 PA, 151 OPS+, 198 HR
Perez 33+: 5000 PA, 111 OPS+, 141 HR (737 RBI)
I consider Perez one of the worst HoF BBWAA selections but Stargell's a good choice and Foster presumably had as good or better chance (more athletic) as Stargell through age 32. But only Stargell and maybe eventually Edgar and a handful of others (Molitor) made it to the HoF as a late-career slugger.
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