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CF (Willie Davis)
he felt like a Hall of Famer to me
How many other of the original 16 teams would have such weak choices at 1B (Hodges), 3B (Cey) and CF (Willie Davis)?
Truth be told, take away the pitchers and that's not all that great a team, especially considering there's 129 years to choose from. How many other of the original 16 teams would have such weak choices at 1B (Hodges), 3B (Cey) and CF (Willie Davis)?
Agreed, but how many of the all time teams are strong on both sides of the ball?
The A's and Giants certainly.
The Phillies are plenty weak at C (Daulton, Boone, Lieberthal, perhaps Ruiz) and 1B (Howard, Kruk, Luderus) and 2B (Utley, Tony Taylor, a few early Nap Lajoie seasons)
And not too many franchises have two (or more) Hall of Famers at the same position. The Braves are one example with Chipper and Eddie Mathews at third. The Yankees at catcher, the Red Sox and Cardinals in left.
The Cubs at second base.
They also have multiple Hall of Famers at shortstop and first base as well.
So they have three Hall of Fame second basemen.
SS-Alvin Dark (maybe Travis Jackson? Rich Aurilia?)
I've been going under the assumption that every player gets one team and one team only. So Hornsby to the Cardinals, Maddux to the Braves, Alexander to the Phillies and Cuyler probably to the Pirates if they need him.
Doing it that way Tris Speaker and Jim Bunning are two of the harder choices among HOFers.
2B: Bobby Grich
(Alomar, Aparicio, Palmeiro and Tejada are left out as the property of other teams)
And somebody is seriously under-rating Chet Lemon. Way better than Ordonez and even better than Baines.
Bb ref has Grich with 34.4 WAR in Baltimore and 32.9 in California.
1B - Votto
One of them has to move to RF unless we missed somebody.
The other question is who would manage the White Sox team. Al Lopez (840W, 650L)? They never won the World Series under Al, but they were consistently good. If you want somebody with a championship, your options are Fielder Jones himself (426W, 239L), Pants Rowland (339W, 247L) and Ozzie Guillen (678W, 617L).
Yeah, I was thinking about that. Not only are the Yankees deep, but its starting eight, except for second base, is arguably all-time inner circle great. And the pitching, while except for Clemens, has no truly inner circle greats, and Clemens only pitched a short while for them, is still pretty damn impressive.
It's kind of cheating to include Clemens and Rickey on the Yankees team. Clemens put up less than 15% of his career value with the Yanks, while Rickey put up just 35%. #57 makes the Yankees look much deeper than they actually are.
Following up Walt's suggestion in 54, a Diamond Mind tournament would be great. There'd have to be some rules about which players go to which teams (e.g., original team or team for which they had the most value) and which positions they can play (e.g., 200 games in the majors or something like that). But it would be fun.
1B: Greenberg (Cash)
2B: Gehringer (McAuliffe)
3B: Cabrera (yes, really)
SS: Trammell (Bush)
LF: Turkey Stearns (Veach)
CF: Cobb (Crawford)
RF: Kaline (Heilmann)
C: Freehan (Parrish)
In a perfect world, you'd send one of the second basemen to third and have Miggy DH. Either way, that's a killer lineup.
Starting pitchers: Newhouser, Bridges, Lolich, Morris, Verlander
Relief Ace: Hiller
On the roster because it's my team: Fidrych
Not on the roster for the same reason: McLain
The Giants franchise may very well beat out the Yankees in terms of who could put together the best 25 man roster. Shortstop is a bit of an issue, but otherwise the positions all seem to fall into place nicely. As crazy good as the Yankees outfield would be, Bonds/Mays/Ott can't lose much ground to anybody.
3B - Kelly Gruber (ugg)
#57 makes the Yankees look much deeper than they actually are.
C - Ashby
1B - Bagwell
2B - Biggio
SS - Menke
3B - Caminiti
LF - Cruz
CF - Wynn
RF - Staub
Reserves - Cedeno, Watson, Garner, Doran, Rader, L. Gonzalez, Cliff Johnson (Backup C!)
SP - Oswalt, Richard, Hampton, Scott, Dierker
P - Wagner, D. Smith, K. Forsch, D. Wilson, J. Niekro
Nolan Ryan goes to the Angels in this scenario...
Shouldn't Caminiti then go to the Padres?
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