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1 2 3 4 5 >And post 2.
Read the WaPo obit.
That said, I'm with posts 2-4 (and 3 is the reason I wouldn't have done a moment of silence) - showing respect would be for the country, not the man.
No moments of silence for brutal, thieving Marxist criminal scumbags.
Let's have one for his victims instead. The people he sent to die in jail for opposing him would be a start.
Sean Penn, Danny Glover, and Jimmy Carter admired him. A lot. All you need to know.
Kaboom!
Not really, but that sentence tells me a great deal about you.
The Marlins couldn't recognize the Marlins from recent photographs.
Good thing I'm a Swede so I can express my loathing for every two-bit fascist thug ruler like Chavez without attracting Shooty's ire.
Not that I have a lot to say beyond calling Chavez a two-bit fascist thug.
*Other* Americans, you mean. You're better than them, of course, and not at all self-righteous.
I wonder [EDIT: meh, not really] what the Chavez apologistas would have said about a moment of silence or lowering of the flag at a public event for Pinochet out of respect "for the country, not the man."
And I agree with Jose in #3. While a moment of silence would have been a sign of nonpolitical respect, it's highly unlikely that this specific crowd would have honored it.
**Of course since Chavez clamped down on the media and the opposition with depressing regularity, it's kind of hard to measure just how popular he really was.
In both cases I would have been rather disgusted inside at the thought of moments of silence for brutal despots, but I think I could have kept that disgust to myself for 60 seconds.
And BTW, how would you have felt about a similar moment of silence for Pinochet, given his human rights record?
No one with that amount of innocent blood on his/her hands deserves a moment of silence. The only silver lining for Chileans is that, in contrast with the Peronistas next door, he and his cronies didn't loot the treasury.
No one with that amount of innocent blood on his/her hands deserves a moment of silence.
Fair enough.
The only silver lining for Chileans is that, in contrast with the Peronistas next door, he and his cronies didn't loot the treasury.
Here's an excerpt from a page on Chile from Freedom House, one of the most scrupulously non-partisan political websites around. You're likely aware of this yourself, but just for the record:
Did I say "other" Americans. I don't separate myself from my country's actions as we're all responsible whether we want to face it or not. But I can play the game, too, and say you're being self righteous about my being self righteous about others being self righteous. We can do this for as long as both of us can type, I guess.
Can you name which of these two thugs voluntarily relinquished power and left behind a strong economy? Hint: Pinochet.
This side, oh Microscopic One?:
(Reuters) - Iran declared a day of national mourning on Wednesday after the death of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who shared the Islamic Republic's loathing for U.S. "imperialism".
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who had forged a public friendship with Chavez characterized by lavish mutual praise, hugs and light-hearted moments, may attend Chavez's funeral on Friday, state news agency IRNA reported.
The two men had sought closer ties between their geographically distant countries, although action on joint social and military projects announced in recent years has often lagged behind the rhetoric.
"Hugo Chavez is a name known to all nations. His name is a reminder of cleanliness and kindness, bravery ... dedication and tireless efforts to serve the people, especially the poor and those scarred by colonialism and imperialism," Ahmadinejad said.
I never said that he didn't enrich himself, Andy, but let's face it: That's chump change compared to Suha Arafat's money market account.
And I'm reading Hugo squirilled a couple of billion away.
Jason, my only point was that they're both thieves, Chavez and Pinochet, and the numbers that Pinochet pilfered would be chump change only to Arte Moreno. I never mentioned Suha Arafat.
If you want to post a list of every politically connected family's net worth and curiously acquired bank account holdings, I'm sure it'd prove to be an interesting read. But when I think of the things that trouble me most about dictators and other assorted political thugs, their tendency towards kleptomania is pretty far down on the list.
Be honest my idolatrous friend, your real concern was that Chavez wasn't deferential enough to Popery.
That big sucking sound you hear is caused by the vacuum created by Chavez's personalized style of governing. It's not as if he thought it all out and figured he could leave the country in Sarah Palin's good hands just in case his cancer got worse. (smile)
Nothing bigoted here, from none other than Steven Boyd's stunt double, nah.
The possibility there for massive violence that could spread to neighboring countries is a big worry. Chavez stocked his government with lots of ex-military honchos and a large, well armed militia. Chavez is leaving behind a lot of debt, high inflation and an extremely polarized political environment and the potential for a lot of death and suffering if some kind of quick compromise between the factions isn't reached. I'm not a religious man, so I'm doing whatever those of us who don't pray do that the country doesn't go up in flames.
I agree with Andy -- his ongoing Palin fetish notwithstanding -- that Chavez's underlings lack his political skills. I suspect that repression will increase in the short term as the regime's new leaders attempt to retain power.
C'mon tfb you should know this by now. There are no enemies to the left.
Bingo.
Would anyone want to make a count of the number of mainstream liberals who've criticized Hugo Chavez over the years, and compared that to the number of mainstream conservatives who didn't make excuses for Pinochet?
Oh, and BTW what segment of the American political spectrum is most heavily invested in China's Communist dictatorship? Who's always making excuses for the brutal conditions that Chinese workers face?
Say, was Chavez ever excommunicated, or did he remain a proper Catholic until the very end? You know, like Pinochet, and Hitler, and the like?
You know, I have a good deal more evidence that you support an despot-coddling international child sex ring than you do for my being any sort of plagiarist. And yet there you were, bearing false witness against your fellow man without a hint of remorse, and undoubtedly without a word of repentance during confession. How like Jesus you are. No wonder I can't help but be impressed with the sincerity of your devotion, being moved as I am by your Christly humility.
I don't understand this. The country didn't die. Obviously lowering the flag is to respect the man, and I don't see him as deserving of respect.
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