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< 1 2 3 4 5 >Why should an avowed enemy of the U.S. get the same treatment as an ally? Even though they were both thugs, that's a pretty important distinction.
Cleanliness? That was the first thing?
Exactly. I would guess far more Venezuelans are celebrating than mourning.
To me it's obvious the left either forgot about or moved on from Chavez a few years ago. You don't have to think of an idealistic reason; it could be just the end of the Bush era, or the declining importance of oil prices, or Chavez's withdrawal from public. Or it could be the human rights reports, which have been much more detailed and convincing over the past 5 years. But I think it's obvious that Chavez has pretty low relevance on the left.
D'oh.
Not if you care about their thuggery.
Rich or poor?
Define "care"? Should the US not have made common cause with Stalin in WW2? Should we not have relations with China?
I mean, the Peoples' Republic of China likely kills more dissidents every year than Pinochet did in his entire career, yet we don't let that stand in the way of cheap TVs.
I'd be all for a more human rights centric diplomacy. But, that's not the world we live in.
And, the reality is, oppressive regimes of the Left far, far outnumber those of the right in today's world. There are no right wing equivalents of China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc. I can't think of a single "fascist" nation.
Why should an avowed enemy of the U.S. get the same treatment as an ally? Even though they were both thugs, that's a pretty important distinction.
Fair enough, although Pinochet's Chilean victims might have had a slightly different perspective. Not that this should ever enter into any objective view of how we view various dictators.
But then I guess you would have been fine with all the activities of American Communists during World War II, no matter what the Pope thought about Stalin.** I'm sure you would've supported the Soviets' betrayal of the 1944 Warsaw uprising. And since Russia has been in a de facto military alliance with NATO since 1991, I'm sure that you'll give Putin's repression a pass as well.
**And I'm sure you would have overlooked the obvious farce of Stalin's "benign neglect" policy towards religion during that same period. You would have just given it the old nudge-nudge wink-wink, because after all, Stalin's Russia was our most important ally.
Both.
I'm sure it's the poor who are suffering from the food shortages, not the rich.
But I can play the game, too, and say you're being self righteous about my being self righteous about others being self righteous.
Obligatory. (Be sure to mouse over the comic for the full effect.)
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. None. You clearly don't even know what the word means, or what its purpose is, or under what circumstances it is used. Or, on second thouight, you do, and you're just being dishonest, in order to disparage a billion people you happen to look down upon. And, Hilter privately hated Catholicism, and all of Christianity, because "It came from the Jews". Look it up.
I called you a semi-plagiarist, tongue-in-cheek, in that you clearly go off and do a hours of reasearch, borrow ideas from here and there, and then try to pass off some huge multi-thousand word boxing post as something you dashed-off "extemporaeously".
Whatever. All bigots are small men. You're a f*cking bigot. I get it. You hate Catholics. I'd bet that's not the only group you hate, but its the only group you
can get away with mocking in polite society.
Other than China, that is. China is the perfect example of the phoniness of the entire "left/right" dividing line, which somehow places the croniest capitalist country in history into the "leftist" category because its ruling class still makes a few dead cat bounce bowdowns to Mousie Dung's memory. China is just about as "leftist" these days as Mussolini's Italy.
EDIT: A truckload of coke to depletion.
We're not talking about lowering flags all around the country, we're talking about at a location where we are hosting representatives of Venezuela, a nation whose leader, like it or not, was Chavez. Be a good host.
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Cute, given the country we're talking about.
I think you're underestimating his popularity with the poor.
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Mousing over it doesn't do anything. Does it become 3-D or something?
**And I'm sure you would have overlooked the obvious farce of Stalin's "benign neglect" policy towards religion during that same period. You would have just given it the old nudge-nudge wink-wink, because after all, Stalin's Russia was our most important ally.
If I were President? I would have played nice with Stalin until I had a massive US Army in Europe.
Once the Normandy breakout happened in 1944 I would have cut off Lend Lease, and announced a revocation of the unconditional surrender demands, and a guarantee of Germany's 1930 borders, conditional on Hitler being dead, and the Nazis out of power.
I wouldn't have stopped going east until we took Kiev and Minsk.
There's a funny scene in Ninotchka when the Communists from Russia mistake German Fascists for their own. I was confused as hell in high school figuring out the difference between Stalin and Hitler.
You guys should stop clouding the issue with irrelevant points of mere fact. What really matters is whatever the Democratic National Chairman Sean Penn is saying.
I learned from The Princess Bride that this would be a huge mistake!
Hey now - let's not go judging him on actual results. Intentions are what matter.
Other than China, that is. China is the perfect example of the phoniness of the entire "left/right" dividing line, which somehow places the croniest capitalist country in history into the "leftist" category because its ruling class still makes a few dead cat bounce bowdowns to Mousie Dung's memory. China is just about as "leftist" these days as Mussolini's Italy.
Well, it's recognized political theory that the Right/Left spectrum is really a horseshoe, not a line. At the extremes, Fascism and Socialism converge. After all, Hitler and Mussolini both called themselves socialists.
And I'm ready to support harsher treatment of China than any of you will propose, whether they're right or left.
For example, why did the Western media label Gorbachev's glasnost/perestroika adversaries as "conservative" and "right-wing" when every single of them were hard-line Communists?
EDIT: Or what Snapper just said.
I think Chavez was a corrupt strong man and I'll certainly shed no tears for him, but are you really trying to compare him to Pinochet? Could you point me to the 30,000 people he tortured? Or the 3,000 he killed? Or the political opponents he had assassinated in the United States? Also, Pinochet had ten tons of gold hidden in a hong kong bank, so I'm not sure what you're on about with the not enriching himself crap.
Wow, that is awesome. Baseball pants and a glove. Nice over-the-top delivery too.
Nonsense. Even ignoring the A-bomb, there was zero chance of the Soviets defeating the Western Allies.
The Soviets were completely exhausted in 1945. They had no manpower left. Every truck, field ration, boot and radio they had was being supplied by the US. Their aircraft industry relied 100% on American aluminum.
Without Lend Lease, their army would have collapsed facing the Allies. Not to mention the fact that once Hitler was dead, the Allies could have recruited several millions well trained German troops for a campaign to push the Soviets out of Europe.
I wouldn't have stopped going east until we took Kiev and Minsk.
You and what army? Major King Kong's? Do you even have the slightest conception of just how eager the American public was to end World War II as quickly as possible? Why do you think that even now, virtually no veteran criticizes the use of the A-bomb on Japan? Why do you think the draft was so quickly eliminated after the war was over? And in England, why do you think Churchill was thrashed in the election held just two months after V-E Day? There would have been about as much support for an American (or Anglo-American) war on Russia in 1944 or 1945 as there'd be for a ground invasion of Tehran today.
They're having shortages now, but that ignores that he offered bread to a lot of people who didn't have any at the time he took power. Chavez was, of course, from our POV a mirage, but then we're well fed and have nice beds to sleep in.
You provoke or fabricate an incident. C'mon Andy, you know how governments do this stuff.
If the Unconditional Surrender stupidity had been avoided, very little fighting might have even been necessary. The German Army would have collapsed in front of the Allies in 1944 (like they did in '45), allowing us to overrun all of Germany, while fighting like hell to hold back the Soviets.
I don't draw much of a distinction between Chile and Venezuela because I think we should engage with both countries as much as possible while simultaneously pressuring guys like Pinochet and Chavez to clean up their act.
EDIT: And let me emphasize the "GENERALLY." Obviously that approach wouldn't work with Nazi Germany.
Heh. I was once at a small dinner party--in Mississippi of all places--where the host had inadvertently invited an Armenian and a Turk. I was completely ignorant of the history at the time so it was an education.
A distinction without a difference for los desaparecidos.
Next thing I know, you're going to tell us how Pinochet kept the trains running on time.
This country's involvement with Pinochet was disgraceful. It was a stain on the nation.
As for Chavez, good riddance. I don't know what happens next in Venezuela, but it probably won't be very pretty.
Jesus Christ. One tortured and murdered a whole bunch of people. Is that not a pretty important distinction?
Here's the Washington Post's Pinochet
obiteditorial following his death:And I never said that Pinochet didn't steal, only that he "didn't loot the treasury."
Although Lenin is the one most identified with the "Who...whom?" question, it remains a remarkably succinct and accurate way of gauging regimes. As long as the "Who" consists of a small and unaccountable unelected elite, and as long as the "whom" consist of the vast majority of the population getting screwed, arguing about the "left" or the "right" nature of a dictatorship is little more than a game of ideological masturbation. You can call Hitler a "socialist", but that doesn't mean he treated his opponents as if he were Norman Thomas or Yitzhak Rabin.
Corrected. Thanks.
This was written in 2006. Talk about a slow approach.
This is hilarious. Pinochet paved the way for liberal democracies by freaking overthrowing one. WTF.
You provoke or fabricate an incident. C'mon Andy, you know how governments do this stuff.
Is that a wink-wink or a nudge-nudge? In any case, it wouldn't have worked.
If the Unconditional Surrender stupidity had been avoided, very little fighting might have even been necessary. The German Army would have collapsed in front of the Allies in 1944 (like they did in '45), allowing us to overrun all of Germany, while fighting like hell to hold back the Soviets.
Wait, now you're saying "hold back" the Russkies, whereas a few posts back you were talking about marching to Kiev and Minsk. Which is it?
And once again, you totally ignore the equally exhausted state of American public opinion in the last year of the war, not to mention the cumulative effect of four years of thinking of the Soviets as our steadfast allies. They just wanted to end the war and get the hell home. Period. Wars are SO much more easily won on paper than they are in the real world, a fact I might have thought you would have realized by now.
She was. I'd rather live under a Pinochet than a Stalin or even a Chavez. They're all scumbags, and there's no political freedom with any of them,
but at least under the Right Wing Scumbag you can get eat decently and get toilet paper.
cue Retardo...
The Soviets were completely exhausted in 1945. They had no manpower left. Every truck, field ration, boot and radio they had was being supplied by the US. Their aircraft industry relied 100% on American aluminum.
Without Lend Lease, their army would have collapsed facing the Allies. Not to mention the fact that once Hitler was dead, the Allies could have recruited several millions well trained German troops for a campaign to push the Soviets out of Europe.
And you think the other Allies weren't exhausted either?
Unless the footnotes makes copious note of the fact that the authoritarian right-wing dictators -- especially in the western hemisphere - tended to have an a very large and very prosperous big brother showering them with everything from direct assistance to favorable trade and treaties, while the communist dictators in this particular hemisphere tended to have a combination of embargoes or worse, I'd tend to toss Kirkpatrick in with the Joe Morgans not the Bill James when it comes to analysis of the situation.
I mean, I'm no communist -- but come on... the 'scholarly work' from Kirkpatrick differs from someone like David Barton very little: Preconceive the preferred answer, then work backwards to muster selected criteria and facts to support it.
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