Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza and Craig Biggio have been elected to the Hall of Merit!
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1. Walt Davis posted on February 11, 2013 at 04:15 PM # hit 0 | hit 0Mantle, Smith, Rose, Murray came straight to mind. The excerpt has Chipper who I'd have thought of and Simmons who I probably wouldn't have and Frisch who I wouldn't have gotten in a million years (unless you count "one of those 20s-30s guys" as a hit). I assume he has more than somebody like Ozzie Smith. Oh well, off to b-r to find the obvious switch-hitters I've forgotten.
Swisher must be closing in as well.
C Ted Simmons
1B Eddie Murray
2B Frankie Frisch
SS George Davis
3B Chipper Jones
LF Tim Raines
CF Mickey Mantle
RF Carlos Beltran
Perhaps you slot Rose somewhere - but I don't think I'd take him over Chipper or or Frisch (and there's also Robbie Alomar)... You could go defense-first at SS and look at Ozzie or a myriad of others, I guess.
The only place the team would really be shallow would be catcher -- unless I'm forgetting someone, Jorge Posada is really the only other near-HOF level catcher I can think of...
Texeira has 1101 already, and I imagine could get up to #3 or even #2 on this list before he retires.
I'd have Ozzie Smith over Davis, but that's just me. Beltran has only played 269 games in right, Pete Rose has 628 games at 2B (and 589 in RF!). I'd put Petey at 2B. If not him, then Roberto Alomar.
121 OPS+, 24 bWar on defense (whoa), only 56 bWar on offense?
Rose, from 24-38: 11000 PA, >3000 hits, >1000 BB, 388 OBP, 130 OPS+, 76 WAR, 44 WAA
Raines, career: 10500 PA, 2600 hits, >1300 BB, 385 OBP, 123 OPS+, 66 WAR, 35 WAA
Or does the Rose ban apply to BBTF all-time teams too? :-)
Smith, career: 8000 PA, 366 OBP, 137 OPS+, 61 WAR, 38 WAA so that's a career vs prime argument, basically equal.
Berkman gets a big hit on defense but is packing the 409 OBP and 146 OPS+. Beltran is basically Smith's WAR twin (62 WAR, 39 WAA, nearly identical PA).
So Rose has to start in the OF if he's not starting at 2B. The third OF slot is a battle among Beltran, Smith and Raines. If Beltran can repeat 2012, he's got a clear edge.
unless I'm forgetting someone, Jorge Posada is really the only other near-HOF level catcher I can think of...
How many of the top 10-15 Cs do you need? :-)
3B is quite thin -- the 2nd best switch-hitter with at least 800 games at 3B is Caminiti with 31 WAR. Or Bonilla or Pendleton if you prefer. Obviously Rose (600+ games at 3B) would be our replacement and Ozzie/Davis/Frisch/Alomar would slide over in an emergency. Jim Gilliam also hits the 600 game barrier with 38 WAR but I think we'll have to hide him in AAA.
Ted Simmonds and Jorge Posada is a shallow C tandem? They're #10 and #17 all-time by WAR.
I was just top of my head'ing the team and for whatever reason -- Rose's ban always seems to worm its way into my mind underrating how good he actually was (ironically, back when he was a full-time 2B).
he dropped off the face of the earth after his career ended and by the time the hall of fame caught up with the backlog nobody was around who had seen him play so he was forgotten a second time
it took a fair amount of writing about him to get this wrong fixed
The Staff would be something like,
Early Wynn
Robin Roberts
Ted Lyons
Red Faber
Mordecai Brown
Gary Lavell
Grant jackson
Greg Minton
Pedro Ramos
Herb Pennock
Nope, sorry, we're stuck with the handful of freaks who pitch with both hands.
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